[CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCE A QUORUM IS PRESENT]
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WE CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE TO ORDER AT 6:38 P.M. WE DO HAVE A
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QUORUM. PUBLIC COMMENTS, NON-AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE AUDIENCE ON NON-AGENDA RELATED TOPICS FOR A LENGTH OF TIME, NOT TO EXCEED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. AGENDA ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS. COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE AUDIENCE. OH, WE DO HAVE ONE NON-AGENDA ITEM THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. WE DO HAVE ONE NON-AGENDA ITEM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THAT FIRST, SO ROBERT, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE AUSTIN BOCCE LEAGUE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION? I DO, HELLO. AND WHAT DO I STILL GET TO TALK ON THE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL? YES.FIVE MINUTES TOTAL FOR THAT. AND THEN THIS IS NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. SO WE'LL BE STARTING A TIMER NOW. NICE. MIKE YOU GOT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MY NAME IS ROBERT BATTLE, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE AUSTIN BOCCE LEAGUE. I'M THE DIRECTOR. I STARTED THE BOCCE LEAGUE IN CALIFORNIA IN 2009, AND THERE ARE NOW 600 PLAYERS, 600 PLAYERS. THEY PLAY ON FIVE COURTS EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK IN THE REDWOODS WITH THE BEST FOOD AND WINE IN THE WORLD. NOW, WE MAY NOT HAVE REDWOODS, BUT WE CAN HAVE SOME BEER AND SOME OKAY WINES, AND WE CAN GET IN THE PARK AND WE CAN ENJOY SOME ACTIVITIES. THAT WAS THE ONLY ACTIVITY IN THE ENTIRE TOWN. SO ONE MAKES YOU KIND OF WONDER WHY THE HECK DID THEY TRY TO SHUT IT DOWN? THEY LOCKED US OUT. I HAD TO GET A $600,000 INSURANCE POLICY TO PUT THREE SCOREBOARDS IN THERE, WHICH I DID ON MY OWN NICKEL IN ASSOCIATION AS A PERSON WITH THE BOCCE LEAGUE TO GET THOSE OUT OF THERE, THEY HAD TO DECLARE THEM A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARD. A TWO BY FOUR ON THE GROUND WAS DECLARED A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARD. THEY LOCKED US OUT FOR NINE MONTHS TO TRY TO TEACH ME A LESSON. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ME TO SHUT UP FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW, AND THEY DON'T MIND PUNISHING EVERYBODY IN THE CITY JUST TO TRY TO MAKE ME GET WORKED UP. WELL GUESS WHAT? IT'S MY BIRTHDAY TODAY, AND I WENT DOWN AND SIGNED UP TO RUN FOR MAYOR. AND I'M HOPING THAT I HAVE THREE PEOPLE. ONE OF THEM GOT CHICKENED OUT BECAUSE THE MONEY PEOPLE CAME DOWN ON HIM AND TRIED TO PUT THE SCREWS TO HIM, BUT THE BOCCE LEAGUE IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE SPORT FOR SOCIAL INTERACTIVITY. IT'S THE SECOND MOST PLAYED SPORT IN THE WORLD. WE USED TO HAVE THE MOST INNOVATIVE BOCCE COURTS IN THE WORLD. WE USED TO HAVE THE BEST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. NOW THEY'RE LIKE PIECES OF GARBAGE, ALMOST, ALMOST. YOU TOOK OUT MY WHEELCHAIR ACCESS DOORS AND YOU LEFT AN OPEN HOLE IN THE SIDE OF THE WALL. SONJA WALLACE PUTS UP A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS BOCCE IS A MULTI-USE AMENITY. WHAT A TOTAL CROP OF YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THROUGH TO THIS TOWN, MAN, THIS TOWN IS LIKE, GOT THE MAYNARD DUMB GENE OR SOMETHING. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PARKS AT ALL YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. YOU ANNOUNCED THIS AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. JULIE, DID YOU REALIZE THAT YOU SAID THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE? YOU'RE NOT A COMMITTEE. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMISSION, BUT YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ONE AS LONG AS THIS GUY IS SITTING OVER HERE. RIGHT? WHY IS SCOTT DUNLAP SITTING UP HERE? HE'S NOT ON THE COMMISSION. WHY IS HE SITTING THERE? BECAUSE WE LIKE HIM SO MUCH AND HE TELLS US ALL OUR EMAILS AND HE TELLS US WHAT TO DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN OVER THREE MINUTES. YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S MY TURN FOR SOMEONE ELSE NOW. OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO NOW? PARDON ME. I HAVE TO SPEAK NOW. OKAY. THINGS I NEED TO SAY. AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE AUDIENCE ON AGENDA ITEMS COMBINED FOR A LENGTH OF TIME NOT TO EXCEED FIVE MINUTES.
TOTAL PER PERSON ON ALL ITEMS EXCEPT FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. COMMENTS ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS MUST BE MADE WHEN THE ITEM COMES BEFORE THE BOARD SLASH COMMISSION SLASH COMMITTEE, AND NOT TO EXCEED TWO MINUTES PER PERSON. NO ACTION OR DISCUSSION MAY BE TAKEN BY THE BOARD SLASH COMMISSION SLASH COMMITTEE DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SLASH COMMISSION SLASH COMMITTEE, PLEASE COMPLETE THE WHITE OR YELLOW CARD AND PRESENT IT TO CITY STAFF DESIGNEE PRIOR TO THE MEETING. PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON
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SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN FOR MANER HEIGHTS. YES ON AGENDA SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO YOU SPOKE ABOUT AN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE YELLOW SHEET TO JULIE. I GET TO TALK ON PUBLIC COMMENTS AND AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL HAVE YOU DO THAT WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP WITH THE REST OF THE COMMENT. IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM OKAY. SO THERE'S NON AGENDA ITEM AND THEN THERE'S AGENDA ITEM.THOSE ARE THE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS. PLEASE COME ON. GOOD TOPIC I'M SORRY OKAY. IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER OUTBURST LIKE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE. IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER OUTBURST LIKE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE. I'M FILLING IN FOR SOMEBODY. I HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN SIX MONTHS. NOW YOU NEED TO GO BECAUSE I CAN'T EVEN DEAL WITH YOU. YOU GOT TO GO. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS, DO YOU? PLEASE ESCORT HIM OUT.
YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET A DOG RUNNING. YOU GUYS ARE A JOKE. TOTAL JOKE. IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY. THANKS. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE MANOR HEIGHTS
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SUBDIVISION. PHASES TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX BEING 1395. LOT ACRE LOTS ON 4470 7.8 ACRES MORE OR LESS, AND LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF U.S. HIGHWAY 290 AND OLD KIMBER ROAD.APPLICANT KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES. OWNER R H O F LLC. WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON HERE TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, AND THAT IS ANDREW GRAHAM. OH WAIT, SORRY. THIS IS NUMBER TWO. WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE. APOLOGIES. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK. I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION. THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STENSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TERRY. ALL IN FAVOR? I OPPOSED MEANS CARRY IT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE VENTURA SUBDIVISION BEING ONE LOT ON 15.48 ACRES, MORE OR LESS, AND LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF TOWER ROAD AND SUNCREST ROAD. SPECIFICALLY, 12100 TOWER ROAD. APPLICANT KIMBERLY HORN, OWNER KENNETH AND SUSAN TOMLINSON. WE DO HAVE SOMEONE TO SPEAK HERE ON THIS ITEM, WHICH IS ANDREW GRAHAM, JUST JUST AVAILABLE. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS. OKAY. I THINK I CAN EXPLAIN, YEAH. THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY OUR ENGINEERS. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTION ITEM, WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. IT IS A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION THAT'S PLATTING SOME EXISTING UNPLATTED ACREAGE, UP ON TOWER ROAD NEAR TO THE INTERSECTION OF LAKE SUNCREST AND FM 973 BY STONE WATER. THE PROPERTY IT WAS ZONED MULTIFAMILY BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. AND THEY ARE PARTNERING WITH THE CITY'S PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION FOR, SO SOME OF THE UNITS WILL BE AT AFFORDABLE LEVELS, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE LIKE 80% MFI, RANGING BETWEEN, I THINK 50 AND 80% MFI. BUT THAT, AGAIN, IS THROUGH THE CITY'S PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, AND SO THIS IS JUST THEIR FIRST IN THEIR SERIES OF PLATS. THAT IS REQUIRED, IN ORDER TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROJECT, WHICH WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN IN, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THIS AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE PLAT, BUT IT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS TO TOWER, THE INTERSECTION, THEIR REALIGNMENT, SORT OF FIXING THE GEOMETRIES OF TOWER AND SUNCREST WITH SAFER, AND THEN WORKING WITH TXDOT ON SIGNALIZING THE INTERSECTION THERE AT 973. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, CAN I ASK, IS THIS WHAT WAS PASSED MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO,
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THE, IT'S GOING TO BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT OFFERS MULTIPLE LEVEL INCOME LEVEL HOUSING. YES. OKAY YES. YEAH. THEY ARE PARTNERING, IT IS THE SECOND. THE CITY'S SECOND.PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER, TO PROVIDE SOME LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY WITHIN THE PROJECTS. SO. I RECOMMEND THAT WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER TWO. I SECOND. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER O'RYAN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I ALL RIGHT, AYES HAVE IT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
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THREE, THIS IS WE'VE MOVED FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SELF-EXPLANATORY BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND WILL BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS REQUESTED BY THE CHAIRPERSON OR A COMMISSION MEMBER, IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MINUTES FOR JULY 10TH MEETING. I MOVE APPROVAL. I YOU SAID I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE CONSENT AGENDA. I SECOND THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STENSLAND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TERRY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE NOW WE MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. LET'S MAKE SURE
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I'VE GOT EVERYTHING. OKAY. CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE MANOR HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION PHASES TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX. AND BEING 1395 LOTS ON 47, 477.8 ACRES, MORE OR LESS. AND LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF U.S. HIGHWAY 290 AND OLD KIMBER ROAD, MANOR, TEXAS. APPLICANT KIMLEY HORN OWNER RH O F, LLC.THIS IS THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT? OKAY OKAY, SO THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IT DOES LIST ALL OF THE LOTS THERE. THE ALMOST 1400, THE 1395 LOTS. BUT IT IS REALLY ONLY A MODIFICATION TO PHASE SIX. BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO, YOU KNOW, REVISE THE CONCEPT PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT LISTS ALL THE PHASES TWO THROUGH SIX. BUT, IT ACTUALLY IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN THERE. THEY'RE REALLY ONLY MODIFYING PHASE SIX, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN UPDATE TO THE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED IN OCTOBER OF 2023, THAT, TRANSFERRED OR MODIFIED AN AREA THAT WAS LISTED AS OPEN SPACE TO C2 MEDIUM COMMERCIAL. SO IT ADDED IT TO THE COMMERCIAL ACREAGE THERE THAT FRONTS ON 290 AND KIMBRO.
THAT AREA HAD SOME REMEDIATION THAT WAS GOING INTO IT. AND IT BECAME A LITTLE MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO DEVELOP IT AND DO THAT REMEDIATION FOR COMMERCIAL. SO THEY WANTED TO TRANSFER IT FROM THAT OPEN SPACE TO COMMERCIAL. AND THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023.
AND, BECAUSE OF THAT, NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK INTO UPDATE THEIR PREVIOUS PLANS FOR THIS CONCEPT PLAN, AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, SO AGAIN, I KIND OF LIST ALL OF THE LOTS, BUT REALLY ALL THAT'S CHANGING IS JUST THIS 9.3 ACRE TRACT OF COMMERCIAL IN PHASE SIX. AND TO CLARIFY, THAT'S BECAUSE OF FLOODPLAIN FLOODPLAIN MITIGATIO, SO THERE WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS AN OLD SHOOTING RANGE. YEAH. AND SO THERE WAS JUST SOME SOIL CONTAMINATION BECAUSE OF THAT, WHICH THEY'RE ABLE TO REMEDIATE, AND HAVE COMMERCIAL USES ON, BUT NOT RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, SO AND IT WASN'T COUNTED TOWARDS ANY OF THEIR PARKLAND ACREAGE, THAT ALL REMAINS THE SAME AND, WASN'T MODIFIED. SO GOING FROM OPEN SPACE TO COMMERCIAL DIDN'T, REDUCE ANY OF THE AMOUNT OF AMENITY, SORT OF PARKLAND SPACE? THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTIO. SO I KNOW WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WAS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS OPEN SPACE, AND PARKLAND, RIGHT. AND THAT IDEALLY IT WAS NOT NEAR THE BACK OF THE LAND. RIGHT. WE WANTED IT TO BE MORE TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. I BELIEVE, BECAUSE WE WANT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT AND THEM LIGHTING, HAVING SOME LIGHTING IN THE BACK. RIGHT. SO WHERE EXACTLY IS THERE
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LIKE ON THIS DIAGRAM. WHERE IS THE OPEN SPACE AND OR PARKLAND GOING TO BE LOCATED? SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. ARE YOU. OH, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT. YES. OKAY. I WAS ALSO GONNA RECOMMEND IF YOU GO TO PAGE 76 OF YOUR PACKET, THAT'S THEIR OVERALL PUD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023. AND THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE THEIR PARKLAND SPACES ARE. SO THERE'S MORE I MEAN, THEY KIND OF PUT TRAILS INTO THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS, BUT THERE'S NON FLOODPLAIN PARKLAND AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE DARKER GREEN. ON THAT PAGE 76 OF YOUR BACKUP. OKAY OKAY. HI, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME. YES. SARAH STARKEY WITH KIMLEY-HORN. OKAY. THANK YOU, SO THIS IS HELPFUL.THANK YOU. SCOTT. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LIKE AS THINGS HAVE COME THROUGH OUR COMMISSION COMMITTEE, WE HAVE REALLY WANTED FOR THE AREAS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTIES, IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE TO HAVE LIGHTING TO KIND OF DETER FROM LIKE CRIME OR THINGS LIKE THAT, ARE YOU PLANNING TO HAVE LIKE THOSE AREAS BE LIT? ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT AT NIGHT I THINK WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE PARKS THAT ARE LIT AT NIGHT, BUT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SUITABLE LIGHTING IN THESE AREAS, OR IS IT SPECIFICALLY JUST TO THE AREA THAT'S BEING REVISED, OR TO THE OPEN SPACE PARKLAND TO THE WHOLE OPEN SPACE? YEAH, YEAH, THE OPEN SPACE. YEAH SO KIND OF SPECIFICALLY TO THAT, WE DON'T PROVIDE ANY LIKE LIGHTING SPECIFICATIONS ON THE AREAS DEDICATED AS PARKLAND BECAUSE THEY ARE KIND OF DEDICATED IN CERTAIN POCKETS THAT THEY'RE ALONG THE MAJOR ROADWAYS. SO THE ROADWAYS ARE PROVIDING THE LIGHTING. OKAY. BUT THE AREA THAT IS BEING REVISED IS GOING TO BE A GATED COMMERCIAL AREA, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ACCESSED DURING THE DAY, AND YOU HAVE TO BE A, A CARD HOLDER IN ORDER TO LIKE GATE ACCESS ONLY. OH, SO THIS COMMERCIAL USE IS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR RESIDENTS OF THE. IT'S, IT'S A IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. IT'S A SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNER. OH I SEE OKAY. SO THE GATE WILL BE IN BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL. YES. THE PLAN WAS THAT THERE'S A DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN THE TWO AND THE DRIVEWAY ALREADY IS ON OLD KIMBRO. IT'S JUST UTILIZED FOR FARMLAND RIGHT NOW. OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE REVISION AND WHAT COMMERCIAL FACILITIES DO YOU EXPECT TO BE HERE? SURE. SO WHAT CAME THROUGH IN OCTOBER ON THE PUD AMENDMENT, SCOTT AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH ABOUT A BUNCH OF MODIFIED C-2 USES BECAUSE IT DOES BACK UP TO THAT RESIDENTIAL USE, SO I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS, IS LIKE A, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE IT WAS A STORAGE FACILITY IS WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE C-2 USE, AND SO IT REQUIRED ADDITIONAL SETBACKS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USE. SO WE IMPLEMENTED THAT IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, AND WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ANYTHING PAST THE PRELIM, BUT IN REGARDS TO THAT, WE HAD ADDITIONAL SETBACKS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND FROM OLD KIMBRO ROAD LIMITING THOSE USES IN THE PUD.
I ALSO HAVE A FOLLOW UP. OH MAN, I IT'S ALL GOOD. OH, I, SCOTT, YOU MENTIONED THAT PREVIOUSLY THIS HAD THE REASON WHY IT COULDN'T BE DEVELOPED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES WAS BECAUSE OF THE GUN RANGE THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON IT, IS ARE THERE SIMILAR CONSTRAINTS FOR THIS BECOMING RATHER THAN C-2, A LIKE NEIGHBOR FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS? SO YEAH, YOU COULDN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT THEN, I MEAN, ALSO, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN. IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE USE THE ZONING ANYMORE, THE PROPERTY. IT'S JUST THE SORT OF NON-DISCRETIONARY SUBDIVISION ASPECT OF IT, IT WAS BACK IN OCTOBER OF 23 WHEN THE LAND USES WERE REEVALUATED, AND AT THAT TIME THEY DID UPDATE AS SARAH MENTIONED, BROUGHT ALL OF THE C-2 AND THEY DO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS WITHIN THERE. THE DEVELOPMENT THOSE LAND USES WERE BROUGHT UP TO MATCH. WHAT KIND OF CURRENT CODE HAS. BECAUSE THIS PREDATED OUR ZONING CODE REWRITE IN 2020. AND SO THEY HAD SOME OF THE OLD USES LISTED. AND, SO THERE WAS SORT OF THIS UPDATE TO THOSE AND A LITTLE BIT OF MODIFICATIONS TO THEM, BUT AGAIN, YEAH, THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN. AND NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE, THE USES OF THE PROPERTY.
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WERE THEY GRANDFATHERED IN? SORRY, WERE THEY GRANDFATHERED IN SINCE THEY DID IT BEFORE THE CHANGE OF THE CHANGE OF THE COD? YEAH, I BELIEVE THE CODE WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED IN 2018.SO IT FOLLOWED. SO YOUR REQUIREMENTS. SO WHEN WE GOT THE PUD AMENDMENT WE BROUGHT IT UP TO CURRENT CODE. OKAY. GOT IT OKAY. SORRY. GO AHEAD. OH YOU'RE FINE. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THAT SUPERIORITY SUPERIORITY CLAUSE TOO, WHICH IS ALWAYS FUN, I WANTED TO ASK AS FAR AS, INGRESS EGRESS. IS IT ONLY COMING OFF THE COMMERCIAL COLLECTOR FOR THE FOR ALL OF PHASE SIX OFF OF 290? OR IS THERE ANOTHER ADJOINING DRIVEWAY THAT. NO. SO ON THE ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, WE SHOW THAT IT'S PLOTTED OUT SEPARATELY. SO THERE'S LIKE A POCKET LOT THAT SITS RIGHT AT THAT HARD CORNER OF 290 AND OLD. AND THEN THERE'S FLOODPLAIN THAT SEPARATES THIS AREA THAT IS BEING MODIFIED. AND THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL. YEAH. SO THERE THERE WOULD BE DRIVEWAY ACCESS ON OLD KIMBRO. OKAY FOR BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS. THEY'RE BOTH BOTH BOTH THAT CORNER COMMERCIAL AND THIS THIS KIND OF THE REST OF IT. THE COMMERCIAL FLOODPLAIN TOTALLY BEEN DISCUSSED COMPLETELY. WE HAVEN'T FULLY VETTED THAT OUT TO BE HONEST. YOU'RE FINE. BUT THE ONE IN THE BACK THAT WE DID REVISE THAT ONE. WE HAVE DISCUSSED LIKE MEDIAN MEDIAN SEPARATION DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE DRIVEWAY. YES. YEAH. SO IT WOULD JUST BE AT THAT ONE. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. GREAT SO AS SCOTT MENTIONED, THIS IS NON-DISCRETIONARY. SO I THINK JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT FOR THESE CONCEPT PLANS. WE WERE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO PASS THEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE HEARING ON. OH. IT'S CLOSED FOR THE HEARING WAS LAST. THIS IS NOW TO APPROVE THIS MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER O'RYAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TERRY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE I. OKAY, MOTION PASSES. AGENDA ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ANOTHER SUBDIVISION. CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE VENTURA SUBDIVISION BEING ONE LOT ON 15.48 ACRES, MORE OR LESS. AND LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF TOWER ROAD, SUNCREST ROAD. SPECIFICALLY, 12100 TOWER ROAD. APPLICANT KIMLEY-HORN OWNER KENNETH AND SUSANNA TOMLINSON. SURE, YES. SO THIS ITEM AGAIN, IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE ENGINEERS. SO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, ALSO HAS A NON-DISCRETIONARY SUBDIVISION ITEM. SO A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION FOR FUTURE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IT DOES INCLUDE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THERE ON TOWER AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDES CERTAIN, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO TOWER, THE INTERSECTION OF TOWER AND SUNCREST AND WORKING WITH TXDOT ON A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON FM 973 AND SUNCREST. TO HAVE THOSE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, WILL THOSE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT A SAFER INTERSECTION THERE BETWEEN OR ARE THEY INTERG TO BE INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS? HELLO. HI THANK YOU, MISS GRAHAM. WITH KIMLEY-HORN, THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. AND THE ANSWER IS YES. YEAH. THE, TIA AND THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE INTENDED TO MAKE THE INTERSECTION AND, THE ENTIRE ROADWAY BETWEEN OUR SITE 973 SAFER. IT'LL ESSENTIALLY TEE UP SUNCREST TO TOWER ROAD. AND WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY SUNCREST TODAY WILL TURN INTO TOWER ROAD, ESSENTIALLY, YES. WE'RE PROPOSING A REVISION TO THE STOP SIGNS TO HAVE TOWER ROAD BE THE THROUGH STREET AND SUNCREST STOP AS IT CORNERS ON THAT NORTHERN TERMINUS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
ARE WE EXPANDING? ARE WE ARE WE ADDING ANY LANES? A TURN LANE FOR OUR FRONTAGE. WE ARE ADDING A TURN LANE ONTO THE SITE. AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE ROADWAY WIDENING, TOWER ROAD, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, TO OUR EAST AND WEST, THAT WOULD HAVE TO DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY PRIOR TO ROADWAY WIDENING. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE THAT, THE CITY IS EXPECTING TO, EXPAND
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TOWER ROAD IN THE FUTURE WHEN ROADWAYS RIGHT OF WAY IS REQUIRED. BUT THROUGH OUR FRONTAGE, WE ARE EXPANDING TOWER ROAD. THANK YOU. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS THIS THE.IS THIS GOING TO BE APARTMENTS? YES. YES AND YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU GUYS CAME THROUGH, I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A NEIGHBOR THAT WAS LIKE NEXT DOOR, THAT CAME AND SPOKE. HAVE YOU LIKE WHAT'S THE IS THERE ANY UPDATE WITH HER? AND LIKE, WHAT'S YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SHE HAD WERE AROUND THE WATER, LIKE GETTING ONTO HER PROPERTY AND TRASH. AND I THINK THERE WAS SEVERAL OTHER THINGS. HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN CONTINUING TO WORK WITH HER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ADDRESSED? WE'RE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH DENISE, THE NEIGHBOR TO OUR EAST. THE CONCERN SHE HAD SPECIFICALLY FOR STORMWATER PONDING, THAT IS SUBJECT TO OUR, PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND OUR SITE PLAN, DESIGN, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY FOR REVIEW, THE CITY'S ENGINEER REVIEWING OUR PROPOSED SOLUTIONS TO STORMWATER. AND THEN ON OUR SITE PLAN, WE HAD MOVED THE, TRASH RECEPTACLES THAT WERE FACING HER PROPERTY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, TO ACCOMMODATE HER REQUEST, AND WE'VE PROPOSED TRASH RACKS. FOR THE, STORMWATER THAT ENTERS OUR SITE FROM THE NORTH. I BELIEVE THAT WAS ANOTHER REQUEST OF HERS. BECAUSE OF THE, TRASH THAT COMES FROM THE NEIGHBORING SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH. AND SO THAT'LL BE CAPTURED IN OUR TRASH RACKS BEFORE IT GETS TO OUR POND ON SITE. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND I THINK SHE WILL APPRECIATE IT, TOO. YEAH, AND I THINK THERE WAS ALSO GOING TO BE A, I DON'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER BUT A GREAT LIKE YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO INCREASE THE GREAT RIGHT TO CATCH MORE OF THE WATER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN. WE ARE INCREASING THE, SIZE OF THE CULVERT THAT GOES UNDER, TOWER, THE WAY OUR DRAINAGE IS ANALYZED CURRENTLY IS, WE'RE EXPECTING TO DETAIN DOWN TO EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH THE PROPOSED POND ON SITE. SO WE'RE BUILDING UP THE AREA AROUND THE POND, DETAINING DOWN TO WHAT IS BEING RELEASED IN CURRENT, CONDITIONS AND CONFIGURING THE TOWER ROAD CROSSING IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE WATER IS RELEASED UNDER THE ROADWAY, NOT OVER THE ROADWAY.
THANK YOU. GREAT I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO THIS. POSSIBLY, THIS ITEM, BUT IS THERE ACCESS TO ESTUARY ON THE NORTHERN TERMINUS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, OR WILL THERE BE A GATE LIKE A LIKE A FIRE GATE OR IS THERE. NO, THERE'S NO ACCESS POINT AT THE MOMENT. THERE'S NO ACCESS PROPOSED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. YES I SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TERRY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE I THANK YOU, MR. GRAHAM. YEAH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX CONSIDERS CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A FINAL PLAT FOR MANOR HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION PHASE FIVE, 197 LOTS ON 62.33 ACRES, MORE OR LESS. AND BEING LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF ROSEN WAY AND CARPER DRIVE, MAYNARD, TEXAS. APPLICANT KIMLEY HORN, OWNER, FOUR STAR USA REAL ESTATE GROUP INCORPORATED, SO THIS ONE AGAIN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY OUR ENGINEERS. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS A NON-DISCRETIONARY ITEM, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST RESIDENTIAL PHASE, BUT THEY'RE ADDING TWO MORE PHASES, PHASES SEVEN AND EIGHT. THAT REQUIRED A BIT MORE LAND. SO WE'LL BE WITH MAYNARD HEIGHTS FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER. OR CAROLINE, IF YOU WILL, WHICH IS GOOD, SO THIS ONE. YES, IT'S 190 OR 197 LOTS,
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195 ARE SINGLE FAMILY, 50 FOOT WIDE AND 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS. AND THEN THERE'S TWO NONRESIDENTIAL LOTS. ONE IS A JUST SHY OF 13 ACRE CITY PARK, AND THE OTHER IS AN OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE LOT, IF ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER, THOSE ONES. DOES THIS MODIFY THE ORIGINAL PUD THAT HAD MEDIUM DENSITY IN THIS? IN PART, IT WAS MEDIUM DENSITY IN PHASE FIVE. ORIGINALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE IN A FUTURE UPDATE. OH, NEVER MIND. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. YEAH. SO THEY WILL BE, THE REMAINING MEDIUM DENSITY IS GOING TO BE IS PROPOSED TO BE SPLIT INTO 40 FOOT ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT. OKAY THANK YOU. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT. BUT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS. THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS MOTION. YEAH AND IT DOES INCLUDE I MEAN IT'S PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT AND NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE PLAT, BUT, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE CONNECTING THIS PHASE ACROSS THE CREEK TO PHASE ONE. SO IT'LL SORT OF HELP MAKE A LOOP AND BRING PHASE ONE ACTUALLY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT FEELS MORE LIKE PART OF PRESIDENTIAL GLEN THAN THE REST OF CAROLINE DOES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION I RECOMMEND? I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR MANOR HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION PHASE FIVE. I SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STENSLAN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER O'BRIEN. ALL IN FAVOR I MOTION PASSES.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION VARIANCE FOR THE NEW HAVEN SUBDIVISION FROM MANOR CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER TEN EXHIBIT A ARTICLE THREE, SECTION 40 2B1 TO PERMIT A MODIFIED STREET PAVEMENT DETAIL IN BEING LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF FM 973 AND GREG LANE MANOR. APPLICANT QUIDDITY OWNER GREG LANE DEV LLC. WE DO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT SIGNED UP, SEVERAL THAT WERE JUST NOT WISHING TO SPEAK, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO SPEAK. JOHN AL, GLORIA ALVAREZ ALVAREZ. SORRY, YES. SO, YOU WILL HAVE, THREE, TWO MINUTES. SORRY SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AM JOHN ALVAREZ. I'M HERE TO PRESENT ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT. OH. OH, OKAY. APOLOGIES OKAY. OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. WELL, THEN. YEAH HOWEVER MUCH TIME YOU NEED TO PRESENT. SURE. YOU'RE FINE. AND I HAD SCOTT. I HAD SENT OVER A PRESENTATION FOR THIS. PERFECT. IS THERE A CLICKER OR DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO CLICK FOR ME? EITHER WAY. OKAY. YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. OKAY.
GOOD EVENING. SO MY NAME IS JOHN ALVAREZ. I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER AND SIGNING ENGINEER FOR THE NEW HAVEN PROJECT, AND WANTED TO COME IN AND TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT SOMETHING WE HAD PRESENTED BACK IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. WE ARE SEEKING TO GET A VARIANCE TO THE PAVEMENT CROSS SECTION, AS REQUIRED PER CODE FOR THE NEW HAVEN PROJECT. WHEN WE CAME BACK IN JUNE, WE HAD KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. ROBERT KISTNER, OUR GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, HAD COME IN AND DISCUSSED THE WAY WE WERE GOING TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE, AND WHAT THAT CAME THROUGH. WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT. THE COMMISSION HAD ALSO ASKED US TO SHOW SOME REAL WORLD EXAMPLES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND IN MANER, TO SHOW WHERE THE, THE GEOGRID PRODUCT, WHICH WE WERE USING IN THE CROSS SECTION WAS USED AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT FARED AFTER THREE YEARS. SO WE'VE GOT SOME SOME SLIDES TO SHOW TONIGHT ON THAT. AND THEN, THE COMMISSION HAD ALSO ASKED US TO PROVIDE A PLAN OF EITHER A PLAN OF ACTION OR WHAT THE DEVELOPER WAS WILLING TO OFFER IN ORDER TO HELP ASSUAGE SOME OF THE FEARS OF MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY. I SHOULDN'T SAY RESPONSIBILITY. EXCUSE ME? MAINTENANCE OF THIS ROAD TO KEEP IT INTACT DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT WAY, CITY OF MANER AND THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE A WORTHWHILE PRODUCT OUT THERE. SO THIS FIRST SLIDE HERE IS A RECAP OF THE DIFFERENT SUBGRADES FOR THE SECTIONS. SO OUR TOP TWO THERE IS THE COLLECTOR ROAD WHICH IS THE NORTH SOUTH SPINE ROAD THAT IS IN NEW HAVEN. THE SECTION ON THE LEFT IS THE SECTION THAT WE HAD
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LOOKED AT TO MEET THE CURRENT INTENT OF THE CODE, AND THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS THE APPROVED ALTERNATE. AFTER WORKING WITH THE CITY'S ENGINEER THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH, AND I BELIEVE IN MAY THE CITY ENGINEER, GPA AND ASSOCIATES, HAD SORT OF BLESSED THAT, WE HAD TALKED TO THE COMMISSION IN JUNE, AND THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION ARE THE TWO BELOW IT. SO YOU CAN SEE ON BOTH OF THESE, WE'RE GOING FROM QUITE A LARGE SECTION, THE TOP ONE IS, FOR THE COLLECTOR IS ABOUT 70IN DEEP, AND THE APPROVED ALTERNATE WOULD BE ABOUT 35.5IN DEEP, WHEREAS THE RESIDENTIAL, THE CURRENT, TO MEET CODE WITHOUT ANY VARIANCE WOULD BE 48IN DEEP.AND THE APPROVED ALTERNATE WOULD BE 32IN DEEP AND SO BY ADDING THAT LAYER OF GEOGRID TO THERE, THAT YOU CAN SEE IN BETWEEN THE LIME TREATED SUBGRADE AND THE FLEXIBLE BASE, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS ALLOW US TO SHRINK THAT SECTION WHILE PROVIDING ACTUALLY A SUPERIOR PRODUCT AND FOR LONGEVITY OF THE ROAD. CAN I ASK, AS YOU'RE DOING THIS, CAN YOU POINT TO WHERE YOU'RE AS YOU'RE SPEAKING TO IT? YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I CAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A POINTER OR IF IT'S ON THAT ONE. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M KIND OF HAPPY TO RECAP THAT FOR YOU. I DO HAVE MY OWN THAT I HAVE WITH ME. SO THE TOP TWO HERE. OH THANK YOU. THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE GREAT. SO THE TOP TWO SECTIONS HERE, THESE TWO THAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE CURRENT PROPOSED WITHOUT ANY MODIFICATION OR VARIANCE TO, TO THE CODE THAT WE'RE SEEKING. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS AN APPROVED ALTERNATE SECTION, CROSS SECTION THAT WE HAD WORKED OUT WITH GBHA AND ASSOCIATES, YOUR CITY ENGINEER FOR THE COLLECTOR ROAD. THE COLLECTOR ROAD IS OUR NORTH SOUTH ROAD WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, IT'S THE ONLY COLLECTOR ROAD WE HAVE. THE BOTTOM TWO SECTIONS ARE OUR RESIDENTIAL ROADS. SO THINK YOUR LOCAL ROADS IN FRONT OF HOUSES, OBVIOUSLY, AND IT'S THE SAME THING ON THE LEFT WE HAVE WHAT WOULD MEET CURRENT CODE WITHOUT ANY VARIANCE. AND ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE'VE APPROVED WITH YOUR CITY ENGINEER IN DISCUSSION AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE ON BOARD WITH THE CROSS SECTION. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. YES MA'AM. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH WHEN YOU CAME LAST TIME. RIGHT. THE SETTLING. YEAH. AND YOU HAD A AND A SCIENTIST WITH YOU, A LADY I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO SHE'S OUR GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER. YEAH.
GEOTECHNICAL YEAH, WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE THEN? NOTHING. NOTHING. SO WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU IN THAT MEETING, THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND THE ALTERNATES THAT YOU GUYS THAT WE HAD AGREED TO. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE TONIGHT. YES, MA'AM, WHO HAD STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS ON OUR ON OUR COMMISSION, INCLUDING CHAVIS AND, I BELIEVE, CECIL AS WELL. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, LIKE, TELL THEM. SURE. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN? IF NOTHING CHANGED? SO. AND TO BE CLEAR, I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME. BUT I'VE WATCHED THIS MEETING AND I'VE STUDIED THIS GEOTECH QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT THE, THE RESOLUTION OF THAT MEETING AT THE END OF THAT MEETING WAS TO GO BACK AND DISCUSS THE TO THE YEAR TWO WARRANTY PERIOD. YES, SIR. THAT TO GO FROM 10% TO SOME OTHER NUMBER, THAT'S NOT 10% COVERAGE. YES, SIR. ARE YOU ABLE TO ARE YOU ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT AGREEMENT? YES. THAT'S PART OF MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. I JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE IF I'M BEING. CAN WE. YEAH SO I'M HAPPY. I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH ALL OF IT. AND THEN FIELD QUESTIONS OR GO HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT. I'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS QUITE THOROUGHLY.
I THINK WE WERE ALL I THINK WE'RE ALL UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THE PRODUCT IS. WE JUST NEED TO.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE THAT JUNE MEETING. SURE. SO, YEAH, OF COURSE. SO PART OF THE FEEDBACK WE HAD FROM SEVERAL OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS, INCLUDING YOURSELF, WAS TO GO SHOW SOME REAL WORLD EXAMPLES AND THEN ALSO THINK ABOUT EITHER THE MAINTENANCE AND THE MAINTENANCE BOND IN THAT. AND SO I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I DID WANT TO GET THROUGH THE EXAMPLES. AND THEN WE CAN GET THERE. SO I APOLOGIZE IF I DID NOT MAKE THAT CLEAR INITIALLY. SO THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT WE GOT FROM THE, THE TENSAR GROUP, WHICH IS THE MANUFACTURER OF THE GEOGRID. AND REALLY ALL THIS IS TO SHOW YOU IS, YOU KNOW, WITH AN UNSTABILIZED SECTION WITHOUT A GEOGRID, YOU'RE GETTING 355,000 EASELS OR EQUIVALENT SINGLE AXLE LOADS, YOU START ADDING IN A GEOGRID AND YOU NOTICE THAT THIS IS A LARGER BASE SECTION AND MAYBE A TREATED SUBGRADE, AND YOU CAN SHRINK THAT DOWN, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING UP IN EASELS. SO THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER. IT'S TO ILLUSTRATE THAT WITH THE GEOGRID WE'RE ADDING LONGEVITY TO THE ROAD, AND IT'S JUST KIND OF THE TWO EXAMPLES. THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT THEY USE DEPENDING ON THE UNIQUE SITUATION OF THE SOILS. SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO TO THE 750 OR THE FIVE FIVE KIND OF
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DEPENDING. AND YOU CAN SEE, HOW IT DOES INCREASE THOSE FROM A CALL IT AN UNSTABILIZED SECTION, THEN WE WENT AND PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME SECTIONS WHERE GEOGRID WAS USED. SO THIS IS OFF EDMUND STREET IN TAYLOR, TEXAS. THE PHOTO HERE ON THE LEFT, IS A IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BEFORE AND AFTER, AND ACTUALLY I TAKE THAT BACK. ONE IS GOING ONE WAY AND ONE IS COMING THE OTHER WAY. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S NOT AS CLEAR, THIS ROAD WAS BUILT IN 2022. WE WENT OUT THERE. THESE ARE CURRENT PICTURES THAT WE TOOK. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS SOME CRACK SEALANT ALONG THE ROAD. AND OF COURSE, YOU DO CRACK SEALANT TO PREVENT WATER FROM INFILTRATING INTO THE PAVEMENT AND THE SUBGRADES AND UNDERMINING THE STRENGTH OF THAT ROAD. RIGHT, SO THAT WAS ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE WENT AND FOUND AROUND, NEAR TOWN. OF COURSE, THAT'S TAYLOR. AND THEN WE ALSO WENT TO THE VILLAGE AT MAYNARD COMMONS HERE IN MAYNARD. AND THIS IS THE SAME THING. THIS ONE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2021. AND BOTH OF THESE ROAD SECTIONS ARE USING THE GEOGRID. BOTH OF THESE WERE RECOMMENDED TO US BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE GEOGRID, THE TENSAR REPS, AS AREAS AROUND TOWN OR NEAR TOWN THAT THEY HAD USED THAT WE COULD GO AND TAKE SOME PICTURES OF AND SHOW Y'ALL AGAIN, YOU MIGHT SEE SOME MINOR CRACKING AND SOME CRACK SEALING, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, AFTER THREE YEARS, THIS ROAD LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. AND THEN THIS LAST EXAMPLE THAT I HAVE FOR YOU ALL IS JUST TO KIND OF SOLIDIFY AREAS WHERE GEOGRID IS USED, WHICH IS UNDERNEATH THE PAVEMENT HERE FROM THE YELLOW TO THE WHITE AND WHERE IT'S NOT USED.AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AT THE STRIPING. SO ON THIS ONE, ON LIMMER LOOP, THEY HAD DONE IT FOR THE TRAVEL WIDTH OF THE LANE HERE BETWEEN THE STRIPES. BUT THEY HAD NOT EXTENDED IT OUT PAST, THE ROADWAY AND WHERE THAT DIFFERS FROM US IS OUR SECTION WILL EXTEND IT THROUGH AND WE'RE ACTUALLY EXTENDING OUR SUBGRADES OUT THREE FEET PAST. SO IF YOU IMAGINE ANOTHER THREE FEET PAST THIS EDGE HERE, THAT'S WHERE OUR SUBGRADES WOULD STOP. SO YOURS WILL TUCK ESSENTIALLY UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK OR THE CURB AND GUTTER. YEAH. YOU'LL HAVE THE CURB AND GUTTER AND IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE THERE AND IT'LL BE GOING PAST AND THEN BEYOND THAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THAT'S CORRECT, THIS IS JUST OUR OVERALL PRELIM PLAT, THIS IS THE SPINE ROAD THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE COLLECTOR ROAD WITH THE LARGER SECTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'LL SEE ON HERE ARE THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL ROADS. AND THIS IS JUST SOME VICINITY MAP STUFF, JUST KIND OF SHOWING WHERE WE ARE. 973 GREGG LANE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION. SO, GOING TO WHAT YOU ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE BOND AND THE MAINTENANCE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO WE TALKED TO THE REP, WE TALKED TO, I'M SORRY, THE GEOGRID REP TENSAR WE TALKED TO OUR GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER, WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW PEOPLE. I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERS AND JUST KIND OF ASKED AROUND WHAT THE BEST, THOUGHT HERE WAS. AND EVERYBODY CAME BACK TO MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD.
SO, WHETHER THAT'S CRACK SEALING, WHETHER THAT'S BEING OUT THERE TO SEE IF THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY FAILING. AND ONE THING THAT WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND OUTSIDE THE MAINTENANCE BOND IS A PROGRAM TO JUMPSTART THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, FOR THIS AREA AND GO OUT IN THE FIRST YEAR, I GUESS IT'D BE SEMIANNUALLY. SO TWICE. AND GO MONITOR FOR CRACKING AND PROVIDE THE SEALING ON THOSE CRACKS THE SECOND YEAR TO GO OUT QUARTERLY. SO FOUR TIMES, SAME ACTION. AND THEN ON THE THIRD YEAR, WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED BY CODE ON ANY MAINTENANCE BOND, DO THAT AS WELL, SO THE IDEA THERE, YOU KNOW, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE ONE YEAR AT 100%, TWO YEAR AT TEN, AND IT WAS ASKED AT THE 100%, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GO TO THE 10% FOR THE TWO YEAR. BUT IF THE COMMISSIONERS REALLY WANT THE 100%, I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO GO THERE. THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD CHANGE THAT AT ALL IS WE FEEL LIKE THE CRACK SEALING IS REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO DICTATE IF THE ROAD LASTS LONGER, BUT IF IT WOULD MAKE Y'ALL FEEL BETTER, WE CAN GO TO 100% FOR THE TWO YEARS. A QUESTION TO CLARIFY FOR THIS, AND IT MAY BE A STAFF QUESTION. IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS REQUEST, THEN THE BASELINE CODE, THE TCM THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO DO WHATEVER THE REGULAR INFILL, WHATEVER THAT INFILL IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE INFILL. YES, SIR. YES. WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE BECAUSE YOU'RE ON EXPENSIVE CLAY. SURE. AND THE MAINTENANCE PERIOD WHEN THE CITY OF THE CITY OF MAYNARD ASSUMES OWNERSHIP OF THE ROAD UPON COMPLETION, MAINTENANCE WOULD WOULD YOU WOULD THE MAINTENANCE PLAN STILL BE 100% OR 90% YEAR ONE AND 10% YEAR TWO? SO AS FAR AS WARRANTY COVERAGE, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY'S CURRENT CODE WOULD BE 100% YEAR ONE, 10% YEAR TWO, IF WE DID NOT REQUEST THE VARIANCE. OKAY. AND SCOTT CAN CORRECT ME AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD TO THE ORIGINAL CODE THAT WAS. YES, SIR. WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THE LARGER CROSS SECTION, WHICH IN OUR OPINION IS GOING TO BE WORSE AND BE MORE IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE A HIGHER MAINTENANCE COST TO THE CITY. AND THAT'S I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED WITH MISS PAULINE, OBVIOUSLY
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WITH GBHA, WE'VE TALKED TO HER AND HER GROUP ABOUT SOME OF THAT. SO, WE HAVE SO WE HAVE THIS INSTALLED. PAULINA, WE HAVE THIS INSTALLED. THANK YOU SO MUCH, YEAH, JUST REALLY QUICK. I WANT TO ASK OUR QUESTION. YEAH. IF WE CAN, WHILE WE'RE AT THIS POINT. SORRY, EVERYONE. HI, NERD MOMENT HERE FOR ME. MISS PAULINE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE GEOGRID, WE NOW HAVE IT INSTALLED ON A COUPLE STREETS IN OUR CITY OF CITY. MAYNARD, I'M SO SORRY. CITY OF MAYNARD MAINTAINED, STREETS, CORRECT? YES. IS THAT AN IN THE IN THE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE OF HAVING TO DO UTILITY MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE, DOES IT REQUIRE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT THAN IT WOULD FOR A TRADITIONALLY STRUCTURED ONE THAT'S BASED ON THE BASELINE TCM? NO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR. THERE WAS A SINKHOLE ON RING NOT THAT LONG AGO OUT IN VILLAGE OF MANOR COMMONS, THE CITY WAS ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE THE REPAIRS BECAUSE IT WAS NO LONGER IN WARRANTY, BUT BASICALLY THE GEOGRID THERE HELD THE HELD THE ROAD UP. THERE WAS NOTHING UNDERNEATH IT. EVERYTHING HAD WASHED OUT. AND SO, WE HAVE SEEN THAT IT DEFINITELY DOES WORK.AND THE CITY DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE GOING IN AND MAKING THE REPAIRS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEEPER SECTIONS LIKE THAT, IF THE CITY HAS TO GO AND REPAIR, THEN THE CITY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT THEMSELVES. AND WE HAVE TO CONTRACT IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS LIMITED EXPERIENCE DOING ROAD REPAIRS AND WHATNOT. AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WE AGREED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PRETTY DEEP. AND IF THE CITY HAS TO GO IN THERE AND DO WORK, IT'LL BE A LOT MORE WORK FOR THE CITY. WHEN THE CITY TAKES OVER. AND TAKING THAT RING DRIVE EXAMPLE A LITTLE BIT TO JUST KIND OF DIVE IN, NOT TO NOT TO PUN HERE, BUT TO DELVE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT OR DIG INTO IT, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES LESS FILL. DID THAT MAKE THE REPAIR EASIER AS FAR AS REQUIRE LESS MATERIAL, LESS STABLE MATERIAL TO FILL THAT BACK IN ONCE THAT TO REPAIR, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO USE AS MUCH MATERIAL TO FILL IT BACK IN BECAUSE BASICALLY THE STORM SEWER LINE SHIFTED AND EVERYTHING WASHED OUT. ALL THE BEDDING AND STUFF, BECAUSE USUALLY THERE'S ROCKS AND EVERYTHING THAT HOLDS EVERYTHING IN PLACE. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DIG AS DEEP. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO RENT ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. THEY LUCKILY HAD THE EQUIPMENT ON HAND BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER STUFF YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TO, EVEN WITH UTILITY REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT, HOW DEEP THE WASTEWATER LINES ARE AND STUFF. BECAUSE IF THEY GET TO A CERTAIN DEPTH, THE CITY CANNOT REPAIR IT. SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, THEY HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH, SURE. AND THIS IS LARGELY A COST A MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY AT CONSTRUCTING THESE TWO TYPES OF ARTERIALS. CORRECT. ARE THESE TWO TYPES OF ROADWAYS. THAT IS ONE FACTOR OF COURSE. YEAH. IT WOULD BE A COST. I MEAN, REALISTICALLY THOUGH, AS PAULINE SAID, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, MY JOB AS AN ENGINEER IS TO, TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST AND BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. AND SO WORKING WITH PAULINE'S TEAM, GETTING THIS CROSS SECTION THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO LAST THE CITY LONGER, IT DOES HAVE THE BENEFIT, OF COURSE, OF BEING, MORE COST EFFECTIVE. BUT I THINK THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY REASON WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT. AND IS PVR LESS ON THIS ROAD. SURE. AND HELP, HELP DEFINE FOR ME BECAUSE IT IS A RELATIVELY NEW INITIAL SET OF ACRONYM FOR ME. SURE. PVR IS ESSENTIALLY THE BUMPINESS OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? THE VARIANCE.
SURE. SO PVR STANDS FOR POTENTIAL VERTICAL RISE. YES, WHICH IS KIND OF EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE ROAD TO MOVE AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, UP OR DOWN, RIGHT.
VERTICAL CAN BE BOTH WAYS, SO I THINK YOUR CODE REQUIRES A THREE INCH PVR, AND I WANT TO SAY THESE ROAD SECTIONS ARE CLOSER TO FOUR. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT AGAIN, EVERY EVERY PROJECT IS UNIQUE AND EVERY SOIL CONDITION IS UNIQUE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE AGAIN LOOKED THROUGH THIS SECTION, WORKED WITH GBA TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL SUIT AND MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND THE CITY CODE IS A THREE INCH PVR. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THRESHOLD OR THAT'S THE OR THAT'S THE BASELINE. WE WANT IT TO MOVE AT LEAST BE ABLE TO MOVE AT LEAST THREE. I BELIEVE THE CODE SAYS IT'S IT IS INTENDED TO TRY TO MEET THE THREE INCH PVR. SO IF YOU WERE LESS THAT'D BE GREAT. IF YOU WERE MORE, THAT'S WHERE THIS STARTS COMING IN. AND WE NEED ADDITIONAL CROSS SECTIONS TO MAKE THIS WORK. OKAY. AN ALTERNATE DESIGN. EXCUSE ME.
OKAY AND I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A COUPLE WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN PUDS AND MUDS AND PIDS OUTSIDE IN THE ETJ, AND THEY ALL KIND OF HAVE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BASED OFF OF HOW MUCH, DRAMA. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO TAKE SOMETIMES AND I WANTED I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, BY HAVING A FOUR INCH OR A THRESHOLD, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 3.7IN, A PVR THAT EXCEEDS THE STATE, THE CITY, THE CITY
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THRESHOLD, THE CITY LIMIT. YEAH. IF THAT'S GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER DRAMA, MEAN STYLE TYPE OF ROADWAY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? IT DOES. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE ROADWAY ITSELF AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT YOUR CITIZENS WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING ON IT. RIGHT? YEAH IT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DISTILL. BIKING. YEAH. YEAH. OR BIKING. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN WITH THIS CROSS SECTION, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING IS ALL THE SOILS OUT HERE, YOU JUST KIND OF SAID IT. THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS IN MAINER THAT HAVE ISSUES WITH SOILS. EACH ONE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE, BUT GENERALLY THE THOUGHT WITH MAINER SOILS ARE THEY'RE EXPANSIVE CLAYS. YES VERY EXPENSIVE CLAYS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONFORM EVERYTHING ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT TO THAT. IN MY OPINION, THAT THREE INCH PVR, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A WORST STREET SECTION. NO SIR. I MEAN, THE BIGGEST THING TO KEEP YOUR ROAD SECTIONS FROM MOVING LIKE THAT IS WATER INFILTRATION INTO IT. AND THE CRACK CEILING IS GOING TO HELP WITH THAT, AND ALSO THAT SUBGRADE BEING EXTENDED OUT PAST THE CURB. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT WON'T ALLOW, FOR INSTANCE, IRRIGATION. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IRRIGATION RIGHT BACK BEHIND YOUR CURB, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME STRIPS OF, EITHER PLANTERS OR GRASS AND THEN YOUR SIDEWALK. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE WATERING THOSE AREAS AND PULLING THAT OUT FURTHER IS GOING TO PREVENT THAT FROM DEGRADING THE ROADWAY UNDERNEATH. YES, SIR. AND A FINAL QUESTION TO SCOTT, THE PROPERTY THAT THE PUD THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF THIS, DO THEY HAVE ARE THEY AT THE SAME TCM REQUIREMENT THAT IS REQUIRED OF THIS PROJECT, OR ARE THEY AT WERE THEY PLANNING PRIOR TO THAT? TCM ADOPTION OR. HI PAULINE, I WOULD SAY, PROBABLY NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF PRESIDENTIAL GLEN. NO, THIS IS THIS IS FOR THE PROJECT ON GREGG LANE, MONARCH. OH, MONARCH I'M TALKING MONARCH. YEAH. I'M SORRY. MONARCH. THE 468 UNITS. THE 400 UNITS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE. OKAY, THAT THAT WILL KIND OF TERMINATE OR KIND OF CROSS THE STREET ACROSS GREGG LANE INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, THEIR DESIGN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, THEY MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THE SOILS OUT THERE. YEAH, THEY'RE MOVING A LOT OF DIRT AND A LOT OF INFILL AROUND RIGHT NOW. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF FAILED TESTS OUT THERE. AND SO CITY INSPECTORS KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM. AND I THINK IT IS PARTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING DOWN A LOT DEEPER THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO BUT YOU KNOW, THE SOIL CHANGES WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION AND STUFF, VILLAGE AND MANOR COMMONS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FEW PHASES THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES THEN IT WAS THE FINAL ONE. SO WHEN THEY WERE WRAPPING IT UP AND THERE WERE SULFUR AND STUFF, SO THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND TOTALLY REDO THE CROSS SECTION FOR THE ROAD WHILE THEY WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THAT STUFF MAY HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED. WE MAY FIND SOMETHING OUT THERE WHEN THEY START DIGGING. YOU NEVER KNOW. BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHY HE SAID EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT.
THAT'S WHY EACH DEVELOPMENT HAS TO PROVIDE A GEOTECH REPORT. OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANKS FOR LETTING ME GO DOWN THIS. I AM GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, BUT FOR A REASON, SO THANK YOU. NO, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S HELPING ME HAVE BETTER CONSIDERED TEACHING. PART OF THE REASON YOU HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEER TO EXPLAIN IT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. JUST LIKE A PAULINE QUESTION. IF THIS GEO GRID IS SO MUCH BETTER, WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE EVERYBODY USE IT? BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE REVIEW THE GEOTECH REPORT AND THEY GO BY WHAT THE GEOTECH SAYS AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT DOES. IF THERE IS AN ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD, THEN YOU LIKE GO BACK TO THE GEOTECH, SO IF IT DOESN'T SAY IT IN THE GEOTECH REPORT, TECHNICALLY WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT. I SEE, BUT IF WE HAD AN ORDINANCE, WE COULD OR NO, I GUESS WE COULD. YEAH I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, OR A PRODUCT LIKE THIS TYPE OF GRADING. YEAH YEAH. TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL ALTERNATES TO AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING AUSTIN'S TCM AND AUSTIN'S LARGELY NOT ON EXPANSIVE CLAY AUSTIN'S. WELL, IT'S RIGHT. IT DEPENDS ON WHICH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY YOU'RE BUILT ON. BUT I AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE'RE ALMOST WHEREAS THEY HAVE A LOT OF LIMESTONE, WE HAVE ALMOST NONE, AND SO AND WE HAVE THE EXPANSIVE THE MORE EXPANSIVE OF THE CLAYS IN A LOT OF PLACES HERE, ESPECIALLY THE UNDEVELOPED PARCELS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT ARE THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE OUTSTANDING FROM THE THREE ABSENT COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT WE WANT THAT YOU WANT TO ADD ONE QUICK QUESTION IN THE PACKET THAT WE HAVE, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SUBGRADE THAT'S PROPOSED IS LIME AND THAT THERE'S TALK ABOUT
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CONSIDERING A CEMENT STABILIZED SUBGRADE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. AND IS ONE BETTER THAN THE OTHER IN MY OPINION. NO NOT NECESSARILY. LIME IS PRETTY COMMON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON A, JUST A, A FARM ROAD, THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF GRAVEL, MOST LIKELY ITS BASE IS SOME SORT OF LIME, IT'S VERY COMMON IN THE APPLICATIONS OF FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT, LIKE ASPHALT. SO, I DON'T TEND TO THINK SO. I MEAN, LIME IS GENERALLY AT LEAST FROM THE CONTRACTORS I TALKED TO, A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO GET. AND WE DID TALK ABOUT CONCRETE VERSUS LIME WITH THE ENGINEER. AND I THINK THEY WERE OKAY WITH EITHE, I THINK WE'RE JUST CHOOSING TO USE LIME IN THIS CASE. AND THEN SO AS FAR AS THE WARRANTY ISSUE, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THA. YES, SIR. SO IF WE DENY THIS VARIANCE THEN IT'S ONE YEAR AT 100%, YEAR TWO AT 90%. AND THAT WOULD HAVE NO YEAR ONE, 2 OR 3 CRACK SEALING SEALANT. CORRECT? NOT BY THE DEVELOPER. YES, SIR. SO THE VARIANCE WILL ACTUALLY, EVEN WITHOUT THE EXTRA WARRANTY ON YEAR TWO, IT GETS THREE YEARS OF CRACK SEALANT. YEAH. WHAT? WE'RE WE'RE REQUESTING IS WITH THE VARIANCE THAT WE WOULD GO DOWN A PATH OF THREE YEARS OF CRACK SEALING, AND LAST TIME I CAME AND I TALKED TO YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT. I KNOW YOUR CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, SHOWING HOW WE WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT RIGHT. I THINK WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE GEOGRID WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD WORK. AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, AM I TELLING THE TRUTH? AND SORT OF TO PROVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT. RIGHT.AND THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR CONCERN FOR YOUR CITIZENS. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS, AGAIN, I'LL USE THE WORD JUMP START SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES. IN THOSE FIRST THREE YEARS, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE WILLING TO COME OUT THERE PERIODICALLY, CHECK FOR CRACKS, SEAL THOSE IN SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WOULD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOUR CURRENT MAINTENANCE BOND REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO FEW THINGS, THIS VARIANCE DOESN'T MODIFY THE REQUIREMENT FOR WARRANTY MAINTENANCE BONDS. THAT IS A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE CODE. SO IF YOU APPROVE IT, THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED. FIRST YEAR 100%, SECOND YEAR 10%. IF YOU DENY IT, THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED FIRST YEAR 100%, SECOND YEAR 10%. THAT SEPARATE SECTION. THAT'S UNMODIFIED BY THIS VARIANCE REQUEST, BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, LIKE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS THAT THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS YOU KNOW, A BETTER, TYPE OF MAINTENANCE PERIOD, WHETHER IT WAS TWO YEARS AT 100% OR IS THERE A PROPOSING SOME FUNCTION OF THREE YEARS WORTH OF CRACK SEALING, IN ADDITION TO 100% OF FIRST YEAR AND 10% ON THE SECOND YEAR? YEAH. CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION PURPOSES, OUR MOTION PURPOSES, WHAT? THE MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT WAS THAT YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THIS? SURE. YEAH. EXCUSE ME. SO IN YEAR ONE, WE WOULD PROVIDE A SEMIANNUAL CHECK SO THERE'D BE TWO CHECKS ON THAT YEAR. IN YEAR TWO, A QUARTERLY CHECK. SO FOR AND THEN IN YEAR THREE, AN ADDITIONAL QUARTERLY CHECK. SO AGAIN ANOTHER FOUR. OKAY THANK YOU. YES SIR. CAN I ALSO ASK BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YOU SAID THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO WOULD BE WILLING TO INCREASE THE WARRANTY PERCENT. AND WHAT TO WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU WILLING TO INCREASE THE WARRANTY PERCENT TO. SURE. YEAH. SO MORE OF THAT COMFORT. SURE, SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE CURRENT CODE IF WE COULD IF THE COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH THAT, THE CHANGE WOULD BE NOTHING TO THE FIRST YEAR. PER THE CODE, AND THEN THE SECOND YEAR TAKING THAT FROM A 10% MAINTENANCE BOND TO 100% MAINTENANCE BOND. AND FOR US, BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WE THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY KEEP THE ROAD IN GOOD CONDITION. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO US IF IT'S 10 OR 10% OR, I'M SORRY, 10 OR 100%, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE BONDS ARE REALLY ONLY PULLED IF A DEVELOPER COMES OUT THERE AND SAYS, I'M NOT GOING TO FIX WHAT YOUR ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, IS TELLING ME TO DO IN A WALK, FOR ACCEPTANCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE PASSED THIS SECTION, THREE OTHER SECTIONS. WE WANT TO BE OUT HERE OBVIOUSLY AS OF TODAY. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S USUALLY NOT A CONDITION THAT GETS MET. THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHEN YOU PULL A BOND, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THE CITY OPTION TO PULL THE BOND FOR THE MAINTENANCE, THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE DEVELOPER'S ABILITY TO GO BOND ON OTHER PROJECTS AND BECOMES A CREDIT ISSUE. SO THE IN MY OPINION, CITIES DO THIS AS A, A WAY TO ENFORCE THAT THESE ACCEPTANCE MEASURES AT THE ONE YEAR WALK OR TWO YEAR WALK ACTUALLY GET FIXED. SO IF PAULINE WENT OUT THERE AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S CALL IT CRACK SEALING, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CRACK SEALING ALL
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NIGHT. YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND DO THIS. AND NOBODY WANTED TO. AND WE REFUSED. IT WOULD GIVE THE CITY FUNDS TO GO DO IT. AND YOU SAID 100% FOR THE THIRD YEAR TOO, RIGHT? NO MA'AM. NO, JUST THE FIRST TWO. JUST THE FIRST TWO YEARS. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT FOR THE THIRD YEAR.WHAT WOULD IT BE? ADDITIONAL WOULD BE THE QUARTERLY CRACK SEALING AND QUARTERLY. OKAY. SO 0% BUTT CRACK SEALING. CORRECT. AND YOUR CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE A THIRD YEAR TODAY. SO. OKAY BUT THEY WOULD OVERSEE THE MAINTENANCE. THEY WOULD ISSUE THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE, MANAGE THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR A THIRD YEAR FOR THE FOR YEAR THREE. OH JUST Y'ALL KNOW UNDER THE REGULAR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S THE ONE YEAR AND TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND. CURRENTLY CITY STAFF GOES OUT THERE AT THE ONE YEAR AND INSPECTS IT. AND THEN MY OFFICE ISSUES A WARRANTY LETTER TO THE CONTRACTOR TELLING THEM EXACTLY EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED, WHETHER IT'S A ROAD CURB OR MANHOLES OR WHATEVER, SO AND WE DO THAT AT THE TWO YEAR TWO, AND WE HAVE DONE LETTERS MID-YEAR TO WHERE ISSUES HAVE COME UP, SO BUT YEAH, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHAT IT WOULD DO. HE COULD COORDINATE WITH THE CITY INSPECTOR AND JUST GET IT, INSPECT MORE FREQUENTLY. LIKE, THE MAIN ISSUE IS HAVING THE INSPECTOR HAVE TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE AND STUFF, BUT.
YEAH. NO, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD OPTION. AND I'M HOPING EVENTUALLY THE CITY WILL HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, SO, LIKE, I SAID TO ME, IT IS GOOD. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, LIKE THE BONDS, WHAT WE DO IS WE LIKE, I SAID, WE SEND IT OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR, WE HAVE HAD ISSUES, BUT HOW WE ADDRESS THE ISSUES WHEN THEY DON'T GET DONE. NOW, WHEN I SEND THE LETTER OUT, I SEND THE LETTER TO THE CONTRACTOR, THE ENGINEER, AND THE BONDING COMPANY. AND SO I PUT THEM ON NOTICE AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WE WENT OUT THERE, WE LOOKED AT THE STUFF. YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO TELL US HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FIX IT. IF YOU DON'T, THEN WE'LL INVOKE YOUR BOND. LUCKILY, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT YET. BUT LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH CONTRACTORS NOT COMING BACK AND FIXING THE STUFF. SO THAT'S WHEN WE WORK WITH CITY LEGAL TO CHANGE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE WARRANTY INSPECTIONS. SO BUT YEAH, I MEA, LIKE THE CITY INSPECTOR WILL BE OUT ALL THE TIME. SO THEY CAN DEFINITELY COORDINATE WITH THEM, YOU KNOW. BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT IS A WOULD BE A GOOD BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS. COOL OKAY. ARE YOU GOOD? YOU GOT YOUR QUESTIONS OKAY. GOOD GOOD.
YEP. OKAY. DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? YEAH, IT'S A HEFTY. HE'S THE LAWYER. SO LET'S LET HIM LET'S LET HIM DO THE COMPLICATED ONES. I'M JUST KIDDING. SO I AM MAKING A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH CONDITIONS TO REQUIRE GEOGRID FOR BOTH STREET TYPES, MEET OR EXCEED A TREATED SUBGRADE THICKNESS OF AT LEAST 16IN. AND INCLUDE THE YEAR ONE TWO CHECKS FOR MAINTENANCE, YEAR TWO FOUR CHECKS FOR MAINTENANCE AND YEAR THREE FOUR CHECKS FOR MAINTENANCE. THE MAINTENANCE THAT INCLUDES LIKE CRACK SEALING. IS THAT. YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. OH, OKAY. AND YEAR TWO 100% WARRANTY BOND. I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TERRY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STENSLAND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A MANOR CROSSING COORDINATED SIGN PLAN, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE TO SPEAK.
SORRY, NUMBER EIGHT. I'M SORRY. SIX COORDINATED CITY PLAN. YES, THAT'S WHAT I SAID, RIGHT. MANOR CROSSING COORDINATED SIGN PLAN. OH, THAT'S NUMBER NINE. OH I'M SO EXCITED. I GOT SO EXCITED. I
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DID OKAY. JUST KIDDING. CONSIDERATION. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ASCO EQUIPMENT COORDINATOR SITE. PLAN WE DO HAVE SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON THIS. CODY CAGLE, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT, WELL, I AM NOW. YES, MA'AM. OKAY CODY CAGLE, SKYWRITE SIGN COMPANY REPRESENTING CASE ASCO EQUIPMENT. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS JUST REPLACING THE FACE THAT WAS DAMAGED, TO BE HONEST, I'M FROM AMARILLO, TEXAS. AND TO REPLACE THE FACE THE PERMITS NOT NEEDED, I HIRED A CONTRACTOR, A LOCAL CONTRACTOR. THEY DID NOT INFORM ME THAT EITHER, THE PLANNER, MICHAEL BRILL, SHUT HIM DOWN. ACTUALLY, DURING THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROJECT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT. WE DID NOT KNOW THAT WE NEEDED A PERMIT. AND SO WE'VE SUBMITTED A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW. SO I'M JUST KIND OF HERE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THAT GOING. TO SUMMARIZE, THE REQUEST FOR THIS MOTION IS TO ADD ASCO TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN THOSE NOTES THAT IT ALREADY EXISTS. YES SIR. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REPLACE THE FACE FOR THIS SIGN. THE FACE FOR THE FOR THE BLADE OKAY. YES SIR. SO IF I COULD A LITTLE HISTORY OF IN ADDITION TO THAT, SO THE SIGN OF OUR CODE REQUIRES, ANY ALTERED SIGN, YOU KNOW, NEEDS A PERMIT, AND THEN HAS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT CODE. SO WE DO CONSIDER SIGN PHASE CHANGES AS ALTERATIONS, WHICH IS WHERE THIS ONE KIND OF GOT TRIPPED UP WITH, AND SO WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN STUFF LIKE, 7-ELEVEN INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL SONIC, AND A COUPLE OTHERS. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR SIGNS OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT. SO LIKE 7-ELEVEN, ONE USED TO BE VALVOLINE OR VALERO. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A BIG 40 FOOT TALL SIGN AND THEN ANOTHER FULL PRICIER THAN AN ATM SIGN. AND NOW IT'S JUST ONE, LIKE, KIND OF SMALLER, YOU KNOW, FUEL PRESSURE SIGN. THAT'S BECAUSE OF THIS CODE, NOW, YEAH, ANY ALTERED SIGN HAS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THAT MAY REQUIRE YOUR SIGN TO BE MADE SMALLER. REMOVAL OF SIGNS, CHANGING THE SIGN TYPES, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, SO THE EXISTING, PYLON SIGN, IT'S 170FTā !S AND UNDER CODE. THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 80FTā !S, SO THAS WHY THEY COULDN'T JUST. YOU KNOW, GET ASSIGNED PERMIT WITH THE EXISTING SIZE OF THE SIGN, IT MEETS THE HEIGHT REGULATION. IT'S JUST THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN EXCEEDS THA, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME, AT LEAST ON THE SIGN PLAN, ADDING SOME LETTERING FOR ASCO. THERE'S SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL ATTACHED SIGNAGE. THAT'S PART OF IT. EVERYTHING THAT WE PROPOSE IS STRICTLY FOR THE PYLON SIGN. SO YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE A NEW TAG AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE FLEXIBLE FACE IF YOU WILL. YES. SO IT IS A SEPARATE PIECE THAT SAYS ASCO. THERE BUT YES. YOU KNOW, AND THOSE LETTERS DID NOT EXIST ON THE ON THE PREVIOUS SIGN THAT WAS THERE. CORRECT THAT ACTUALLY DID. YES IT DID OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE ON THE BUILDING THERE'S THESE OTHER SHEETS WHERE THERE'S STUFF ADDED TO THE BUILDING. SO MR. BURRELL ACTUALLY TOLD US SUBMIT THE ORIGINAL. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THINGS FROM 2010 THAT Y'ALL ARE SEEING. THERE YEAH. TYPICALLY, YES. WITH A COORDINATED SIGN PLAN. WE IT'S BEST TO WHEN WE REQUIRE A REQUEST, ALL SIGNAGE BE PART OF IT. SO THAT WAY IT SORT OF HELPS. SO YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE IT'S SORT OF ALREADY ALL ENCOMPASSED IN THERE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD BUSINESSES JUST DO THEIR ATTACHED WALL SIGN, AND THEN THEY WANT TO DO A PYLON SIGN OR MONUMENT SIGN, AND THEY HAVE TO AMEND IT OR VICE VERSA.SO WE USUALLY RECOMMEND LIKE, HEY, INCLUDE ALL OF YOUR SIGNAGE IN YOUR COORDINATED SIGN PLAN.
SO ABSOLUTELY, SO THAT WAS INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WASN'T EXISTING SIGNAGE, IT'S PART OF THE SIGN PLAN NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, COULD BE ADDED SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, BUT I MEAN, KIND OF ISSUE OR POINT OF DISCUSSION WAS, THE SIZE OF THE PYLON SIGN. AND IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT AT THE SIZE THAT IT IS, WHICH AGAIN, BY CODE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS, WAS ANY KIND OF OTHER BUSINESS WHERE THIS SIZE OF PROPERTY OR THIS AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ON 290, THEY'D GET 80FTā !S. AND SO THE SIGN IS 170FTā !S PER SIDE VARIA. THEY'RE COMING TO US FOR A VARIANCE TO OUR SIGN REGULATION. SO THE COORDINATED SIGN PLAN ALLOWS FOR LARGER SIGNAGE. IT DOESN'T DICTATE, MAXIMUM SIZE. THAT'S SORT OF THE ACCORDING TO SIGN PLAN ESSENTIALLY IS THE PUT OF SIGNS. YOU CAN OKAY. IT GIVES YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY OF DESIGN BASED ON YOUR PROPERTY. AND IT'S ALLOWED UNDER THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY OPERATE OUT OF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. SO NORMALLY
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YOU'LL SEE A COORDINATED SIGN PLAN ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TENANTS. YOU THINK LIKE MANOR COMMONS, MANOR CROSSING, WHICH COMES UP NEXT, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THEIR MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGNS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT ENOUGH SPACE FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS RETAILERS YOU HAVE, THIS IS JUST A SINGLE RETAILER. BUT SINCE THEY OPERATE OUT OF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, THE COORDINATED SIGN PLAN KIND OF SAYS, HEY, LIKE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR SIGNAGE IS COORDINATED ON YOUR VARIOUS BUILDINGS, SO THAT BY CODE ALLOWED THEM TO APPLY FOR THIS, WHICH THEN GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO REQUEST FOR A LARGER PYLON SIGN OVER THE 80FTā !S, WHICH WOD TYPICALLY BE ALLOWED, SO IT'S REALLY SIGNS ARE AT YOUR DISCRETION. SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MAINTAIN 170FTā !S. GIVE THEM MORE ANYWHERE. YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, 80 IS WHAT CODE IS, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL, HE DID DO THIS SUMMARY FORM. SO HE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING 90FTā !S, SO IT IS STILL A HIGHER AMOUNT, BUT CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, ANY SORT OF OTHER USER WHO WASN'T OPERATING OUT OF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE. SO IT'S MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY JUST A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. I WOULD SAY MY INCLINATION IS TO HAVE IT BE MORE LIKE WHAT THE OTHERS ARE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN EXCEPTION. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO BE AROUND THE 90FT. YOU KNOW, TO KEEP KIND OF NOT HAVING ANY FAVORITISM OR YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO JUST BE FAIR. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO OTHER, OTHER, OTHER CASES HAVE HAD TO RECONSTRUCT THEIR SIGN AS A RESULT OF, OF THE MODIFICATION. YES. YEAH. SO OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THEIR SIGNAGE AND REDO IT. AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO NOT JUST REPLACE THE IF WE DENIED THIS MOTION THEY WOULD HAVE TO. OR IF WE IF WE SET THE BOUNDARIES TO THE CODE THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFIED STRUCTURALLY TO CONFORM TO THE POTENTIALLY, SO SOME LIKE INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MODIFY THE POLE PORTION OF THEIR SIGN. THEY JUST MADE THE, THE SIGNAGE, THE CABINET ON TOP SMALLER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. SONIC, THEY, THEY HAD CHANGE OF A LETTER ON THEIR POLE WHICH KIND OF INCREASED THEIR SIGNAGE ALLOWANCE THAT THEY DID CHANGE THEIR POLE IN THE VALERO. THEY CHANGED ALL OF THEIR SIGNAGE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. YEAH, THERE WAS A SIGN. ANOTHER ONE. I'M THINKING OF A M&M AUTO THAT USED TO BE THAT GOT INCORPORATED INTO RADFORD, WHICH THEN PUT THEM OVER ON HOW MANY POLE SIGNS THEY COULD HAVE, SO THEY JUST HAD TO TAKE THEIRS DOWN COMPLETELY. OKAY SO AND THAT'S REALLY EXCUSE ME, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHY I'M HERE OTHER THAN THE COST. SO THE WAY THEY BUILT THIS SIGN, IT'S ACTUALLY A BRAND STANDARD. SO EVERYTHING'S PROPORTIONATE TO EVERYTHING. SO THIS WOULD THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ABOUT $65,000 CHANGE FOR THEM. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ME TO TAKE IT DOWN AND OBVIOUSLY BUILD THEM A NEW ONE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S TO SCALE. ALSO AGAIN, Y'ALL GOT TO FORGIVE ME THAT WE DID NOT HANDLE THIS PROPERLY, BUT ALSO THE EXPENSE THAT I HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE SPENT, $8,000 ON THE FACES ALREADY.AGAIN, NOT Y'ALL'S FAULT. WE DIDN'T. I HIRED A CONTRACTOR, DIDN'T HANDLE IT. SO. AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO BE INSTALLED AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE SITTING THERE WAITING TO GO BACK UP. HONESTLY, IT'S BEEN AN OPEN EYESORE SINCE FEBRUARY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND I AND I GET IT.
YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE JUST REALLY JUST LOOKING TO SLAP THE FACES OFF AND TRUTHFULLY, JUST MAKE NO OTHER CHANGE OTHER THAN REPAIRING THE TORN FACE. THAT ACTUALLY WAS MY QUESTION. WAS IT BEING REPLACED BECAUSE IT WAS IS THIS IS JUST AN UPGRADE, OR IS WAS IT BECAUSE THE. WELL, THERE WAS A STORM, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN MAY OF 22. AND THE NEIGHBORING, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? ANDERSON.
WHAT IS IT? YEAH, YEAH. ANDERSON. MACHINERY. YEAH. THEY HAD, A TEAR IN THEIR FACE AND THEY COMPLETELY GOT PAINTED. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A FACE REPLACED AND PAINTED THE SIGN.
SO I GUESS THE NEIGHBOR WAS REALLY JUST THINKING THEY COULD GET THEIR SIGN FIXED. WE INITIALLY BUILT THIS FOR THEM WAY BACK IN 2010. I PERSONALLY DELIVERED IT HERE. IT, WE DID NOT INSTALL IT, BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CHANGES AND I'VE ACTUALLY PERSONALLY DEALT WITH THE SONIC THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. QUITE OFTEN IT HAPPENS OFTEN, BUT, I'M JUST REALLY TRYING TO AVOID THE EXPENSE FOR MYSELF AND FOR THEM. YEAH CAN I THIS IS JUST A SEPARATE QUESTION, BUT, IS CASE, A LARGER CORPORATION OR IS IT A FAMILY
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OWNED BUSINESS? NO. CASE IS LIK, IF YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE THE FORD DEALER AND THEN ASK THE, THE OWNER. YEAH IN OUR AREA IS REALLY BIG. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF LOCATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, NEAR AMARILLO. SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FUNDS THE BILL FOR ALL OF THIS WOULD BE ASKED.AND YOU KNOW, IT IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZED COMPANY, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S EXPENSIVE. YEAH, YEA.
IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THE LARGEST POLE SIGN OR SIGN FACE AREA THAT WE ALLOW IS 96FTā !S. F IT HAS ANY BEARING. SO SORT OF ANY SINGLE TENANT, SINGLE USER, LIKE WALMART FOR INSTANCE. LIKE THE BIGGEST THEY COULD EVER BE IS 96FTā !S, ON THE POLE. YEAH, E BASE POLE, THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED ON A POLE OR MONUMENT SIGN, SO UNATTACHED SIGN BASICALLY DOES THE DOES THE BLACK FASCIA COUNT AS SIGNAGE OR IS SIGN FASCIA? WE DO. SO WE BASICALLY, YOU PUT UP TO THREE RECTANGLES OR BOXES AROUND THE, THE SIGN FACE AREA, YOU KNOW, IF THE BACKGROUND IS INTEGRAL TO THE SIGN, IT KIND OF GETS INCLUDED. BUT, SO IT IS WE USUALLY TAKE LIKE THE WHOLE CABINET WHEN IT'S A POLE SIGN, SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOUR SIGN FACE IS, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. BECAUSE IF THIS, HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER THIS, THIS REGULATION HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER TIME. IS ANY OF IT THE CHANGES MAKING THE SIGN FACES SMALLER HAVE TO DO WITH THE LEVEL OF WINDS THAT WE SEE IN SAFETY? NO, THAT WASN'T, NECESSARILY A FACTOR. SO THIS WAS MUST HAVE BEEN INSTALLED PRIOR TO OUR REGULATIONS. YEAH. AND OR WITHOUT SOME PERMIT. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY IN 2010 WAS. WE DO REGULATE SIGNAGE IN OUR ETJ. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I THINK THAT ANDERSON WAS THE ONE THAT WAS ANNEXED IN 2017. AND CASE MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY LONGER, BUT, IF THIS IS OUTSIDE OUR ETJ IN 2010, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ISSUED A SIGN PERMANENT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO OUR REGULATIONS. BUT THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE WE'VE WE PERMIT ON UNATTACHED SIGNS HAS BEEN CONSISTENT FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN TEN YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DRAMATICALLY REDUCED IT AND THEN SUDDENLY SAID, OKAY, IF YOUR ALTAR IS HIGH AND YOU HAVE TO REDUCE YOUR SIGNAGE, SO THERE'S REALLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF SIGNS OUT THERE THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING. MOST COMPLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY, I ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE POLE SIGN. POLE SIGN TO CLARIFY, IS THE IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE SIGN OR IS IT THE. THAT'S THE BASE COVER. I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING CONFUSED.
IT'S JUST THE SIGN TYPE. THAT'S HOW IT'S REFERRED TO. THIS IS A THIS IS A POLE SIGN. YEAH. SO SOMETHING LIKE PYLON UNATTACHED OR AND THE MULTIPLE NAMES THE AND AGAIN THE WRAPPER AROUND I'M GOING TO PASS THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF LIKE WHAT AM I GOING TO IF I, IF LIKE BASEBALL TO, LIKE, ACCOMMODATE THE 90FTā !S. IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A LITTLE TOOTHPICK HOLDING UP A BIG OLD, LIKE A TOOTHPICK IN A IN A FLAG DISH. RIGHT. SO THE POLE PORTION OF IT, THE BASE THAT'S AROUND IT ISN'T COUNTED. WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE SIGN. WE'RE ONLY COUNTING. YEAH. THAT'S NOT COUNTED. YEAH. OKAY, SO WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING THE FLAG AT THE TOP. OKAY. OH I MEAN, TODAY'S CONDITION THERE. THERE'S KIND OF NO NEIGHBORS EXCEPT FOR ANDERSON, WHICH HAS A LARGE SIGN WHICH HAS A SIMILAR SIZE OR A SIGN THAT LIKELY EXCEEDS THE 70 SQUARE FOOT OR THE 90. YEAH. SO THEIRS WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE LESS. THEY HAVE EVEN LESS FRONTAGE. THEY'RE PROBABLY ON THE LIKE 6064. YEAH. OH IN THAT RANGE. AND WHAT THEY REALLY HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SIGN. AND LIKE I SAID THERE WAS WIND DAMAGE AND THEY REPAIRED IT. AND YEAH, IT MUST HAVE BEEN SNEAKY WHEN THEY REPAIRED IT. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. YEAH. I'M STUCK WITH LIKE I LIKE EVERYBODY TO KIND OF
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FOLD INTO THE EVERYBODY EVERYBODY LINE UP AND FOLD IN. BUT ALSO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S AN EXPENSE THAT WE WOULD BE BORING ON, ON A BUSINESS. THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SALARY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S, THAT'S AN FTE, FOR A YEAR. SO I, I'M CONSCIOUS OF THAT TOO, ESPECIALLY FOR A BUSINESS WHERE YOU PROBABLY ONLY HAVE 10 TO 20 FTES FULL TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES. SORRY. I'M TALKING IT'S BUDGET SEASON. TALKING ABOUT IT IN THOSE TERMS. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE OF THAT AND ALSO THE CONTEXT OF YOU'RE YOU'RE ALONG A HIGHWAY FRONTAGE, YOU'RE NOT ON YOU'RE NOT ON LEXINGTON STREET, TO BE QUITE HONEST. YOU'RE ON 290, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A WELL, IT'S A FOUR LANE DIVIDED THERE TODAY, BUT IT'S PLANNED TO PROBABLY BE A 12 LANE EVENTUALLY ONCE IT'S FINAL BUILD OUT. SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO CONSIDER THE, THE ENVIRONMENT OF WHERE WHERE WE ARE. SO. DO WE HAVE A MOTION. SITE PLAN IS REVISED. WOULD REDUCE IT TO 90FTā !S. IS THAT CORRECT? STAFF WHAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF THAT, IT SAYS HERE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE THE ASKO EQUIPMENT COORDINATED SITE PLAN AS REVISED. THE REVISION WOULD REDUCE IT TO 90FTā !S. OR WOULD E REVISION KEEP IT AS AS IS AND ALLOW FOR INSTALLATION WITH A VARIANCE? THE I'M SORRY. THIS WAS WRITTEN WHEN I WAS AWAY, BUT THE REVISION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO REDUCE IT, AS STATED UP TO 90. SO IT KIND OF REVISE IT DOWN TO 90FTā !S OR AGAIN. BUT THAT NUMBR AGAIN, YOU'RE ABLE TO PICK ANYWHERE YOU'D LIKE. SO AND TO REVISE IT TO 90FTā !S. YOU'RE SAYING YOU GOT TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND START OVER. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THIS COMPANY CAN KIND OF BEAR THAT KIND OF EXPENSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I I'M GOING TO TAKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT HIT. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOK. YEAH OBVIOUSLY NEED A LITTLE MERCY. I TAKE IT EITHER WAY. BU.AND AGAIN, I CAN'T STRESS IT ENOUGH. THIS HAPPENED TO THE NEIGHBORING JUST TO THE SOUTH, I BELIEVE AT ANDERSON. AND THEY HAD THE SAME TEAR AND REPAIR AND THEY DIDN'T YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T GET CAUGHT DOWN TO A 64. I JUST WANT TO PLAY BY THE RULES, TO BE HONEST.
WE REALLY, REALLY LOVE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITIES. AND WE TRY TO TRULY PLAY BY THE RULES. SO BUT I WANT THE RULES TO APPLY TO EVERYONE. I MOVE, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SIGN PLAN WITHOUT A REVISION TO THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT OF THE EXISTING SIGN TO ALLOW FOR DIRECT REPLACEMENT. I SECOND THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STENSLAND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TERRY. ALL IN FAVOR? I. I THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO DISCUSSION. SORRY. THANK YOU. ALL ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MAYNARD CROSSING. COORDINATED SIGN PLAN. OH, WE GOT SOME SIGNS ON THIS ONE.
YEAH, THIS THAT WAS, LIKE, THE MOST INTENSELY DRAMATIC SIGN PLAN THAT WE'VE EVER DONE. JUST SAYING, I FEEL LIKE I GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE HERE, AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY ASSIST. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO SHOW UP ON FACEBOOK TOMORROW BECAUSE OF ALL THAT'S IN HERE? ANYWAY YES. THE HEAVY ONE ALREADY SHOWED UP, THAT ONE'S BEEN APPROVED. NOBODY BELIEVES IT YET, SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE COORDINATED SIGN PLAN FOR MAYNARD CROSSING, WHICH IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE HEAVY PROPERTY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE SIGN PLAN. AS YOU KNOW, THEY WERE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. THEY THEY COORDINATED THEIR OWN FACILITY SIGNS. SO THIS COVERS YOU KNOW, THE MULTI-TENANT RETAIL SECTION, HOME DEPOT AND THE PAD SITES, IT INCLUDES THE HIGH PROFILE SIGN OF THE MANY DIFFERENT NAMES, THE FREESTANDING, THE BIG, BIG SIGN THERE. UBUNTU 90, ANOTHER MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S, 12FT TALL
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AT MAYNARD COMMERCE BOULEVARD ON FM 973. MONUMENT SIGNS FOR EACH OF THE PAD SITES, AND INCLUDING HOME DEPOT, AND THE ATTACHED SIGNAGE FOR ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS. AND THEN VARIOUS ON THE RETAIL. THE MULTI-TENANT SIDE. IT INCLUDES, HOW THEY PHRASE IT, IDENTITY SIGNAGE, SOME SORT OF STUFF TO SORT OF HELP THEM MAKE THE SHOPPING CENTER UNIQUE. AND BRANDING AND, SWIPE WITHIN. AND THEN THEY INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, THEIR DEVELOPMENT SIGNS OR COMING SOON SIGNS, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL, THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS WOULD BE THE HIGH PROFILE SIGN ON TO 90, WHICH THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WELL, LET ME STEP BACK ONE SECOND, OUR CODE FOR THESE HIGH PROFILE SIGNS FOR MULTI-TENANT USERS, REALLY, THE ONLY KIND OF STIPULATION IN THERE IS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T EXCEED 35FT. SO THE MAIN OR COMMONS ONE ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S 35FT. BUT THE CITY COUNCIL, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AUTHORIZED THAT TO GO UP TO 75FT WITH ITS FINAL DESIGN APPROVED THROUGH YOU ALL THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THROUGH THIS COORDINATED SIGN PLAN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SORT OF 35FT WAS MODIFIED SO THEY CAN APPLY FOR ANYTHING HIGHER OR UP TO 75FT, AND FOR REFERENCE, 75FT IS ABOUT LIKE THE STONEHILL SHOPPING CENTER SIGN FOR SCALE. I WAS EVEN TALLER. I DON'T THINK STONEHILL'S EVEN 75. JUST IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, MAYNARD COMMONS, TWO OF THEM, PLUS FIVE FEET. OKAY. SO QUITE TALL, PROBABLY, TALLER THAN MOST OTHER THINGS. THE TALLEST STRUCTURE IN MAYNARD. MINUS THE WATER TOWER. YES, PROBABLY NONE ANYWAY. OKAY. WE APPROVE CELL TOWERS AT 75FT.I DIGRESS. SO, THAT WAS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS A 55 FOOT TALL SIGN, WHICH IS, MORE IN LINE, A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF TENANTS, YOU KNOW, THEY DO NEED SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS TENANTS. AND AGAIN, WITH MAYNARD COMMONS PHASE THREE, WHICH IS JUST ACROSS FM 973, THAT ONE IS 50FT. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE AS THAT DEVELOPS, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THEIR SITE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY HAVE A 50 FOOT TALL MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGN. YOU KNOW, WITH THIS ONE, IF IT IS APPROVED OUT AND CONSTRUCTED AT 55FT, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE OTHER SIGNS RELATIVE TO THAT.
AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET, THE EXISTING MAYNARD COMMONS AT 35FT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION. IT'S KIND OF UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU KNOW, THE SIGNAGE WILL BE THERE. SO THE DEVELOPER, I MEAN, THEY ARE REQUESTING SORT OF PRE APPROVAL AT 75FT. THERE'S STILL, FROM WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT A 55 FOOT TALL MULTI-TENANT SIGN, BUT, THEY WOULD LIKE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE CITY COUNCIL, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AUTHORIZES UP TO 75FT, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE. IN THIS SIGN PLAN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF 290 IS CONSTRUCTED AS AN ELEVATED EXPRESSWAY, THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND MODIFY IT TO 75FT WITHOUT COMING BACK THROUGH THE COMMISSION, STAFF, I HAD AND THIS IS MY ISSUE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION HERE, YOU KNOW, , YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND HONESTLY, I WAS IN A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH TEXTILE AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FM 973 GOING OVER TO 90. SO 290 WOULD BE AT GRADE VERSUS 973 WOULD BE THE UP ONE. BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, IN MY YEARS HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH PRIOR COUNCIL TYPES OF APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, THOSE COME BACK, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS LATER AND THE ADMINISTRATION SORT OF WONDERS WHY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL SORT OF TOOK AWAY THEIR ABILITIES TO MODIFY THINGS. AND SO MY ONE CONCERN WITH PUTTING INTO THIS COURT IS SIGNED PLAN, THE ABILITY TO INCREASE THE SIGN, THE THIS ONE SIGN FROM 55FT TO 75FT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO HAVE THAT SORT OF REAUTHORIZED WAS, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION, MAY NOT SEE THAT THAT'S FIT OR APPROPRIATE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY UL, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T EVER BE BUILT AT 75FT. THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN THE FUTURE, BUT JUST AT THAT FUTURE TIME THAT THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE MADE TO THE SIGN PLAN AND THAT REQUEST WOULD BE EVALUATED. SO THAT WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE SIGN EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WITH THE MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGN, HAVING IT APPROVED IN THE COORDINATED SIGN PLAN AT 55FT AND THEN IF THEY SO CHOSE IN THE FUTURE,
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THEY WOULD JUST COME BACK AND ASK FOR IT TO BE 75 WITHOUT IT BEING ALREADY PRE-APPROVED. I ALSO JUST HEARING HEARING THAT, THOUGHTS ON A PRE-APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING AT A FUTURE DATE, I THINK THE DEVELOPERS HERE ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT THEY MIGHT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND RE REQUEST AT A FUTURE DATE. BUT IF WE APPROVE IT, 75 DOES THAT MAKE THEM BUILD THE HEB ANY FASTER? LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT APPROVED. SO THEY'RE ALMOST APPROVED ON BUILDING PERMITS. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A LAWYER. THEY'RE ALWAYS NEGOTIATING. MY NAME IS MATT HARRIS, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE BUTLER FAMILY INTERESTS REPRESENT THE OWNER, WHO'S ALSO THE APPLICANT ON THIS, I GUESS A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE TO THE COMMISSION IS THAT NUMBER ONE IS THE 75FT. WAS A BIG, BIG PART OF OUR NEGOTIATING, OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THE REASON IS, IS THAT, IN ADDITION TO SERVING AS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, I ALSO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF CAMPEAU AND I, AND I HAVE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH CTMA, WITH TEX-DOT AT LENGTH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THIS INTERSECTION, BECAUSE I THINK, AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY ALL AWARE, THIS IS PROBABLY THIS INTERSECTION IS FAILING ALREADY.AND IF WE ADD AN HEB AND ALL THIS OTHER RETAIL THINGS, IT'S GOING TO GET EVEN WORSE, THE MMA HAS ALREADY CONDUCTED SEVERAL STUDIES TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC, NOT JUST THROUGH 973 290, BUT ALSO LEXINGTON AND SOME YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE THERE TO BRING THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE, AND THESE DISCUSSIONS AND I CONFIRMED THIS WITH MIKE SEXTON. RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE LOOKING AT AN ELEVATED, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF AN ELEVATED DEAL OR AT LEAST BRIDGES OVER, BRIDGES OVER THE, THE CROSS NORTH SOUTH CROSS STREETS UTILIZING THE VERTICAL SPACE TO TRY AND GIVE SOME ALLEVIATION AND THEN AND THE IDEA BEING IS THAT THEY WOULD TUCK THE ACCESS ROAD. THE FREE ACCESS ROAD, SORT OF UNDERNEATH THOSE SO THAT THEY WOULD, THEY COULD STAY WITHIN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT. AND, AND THAT'S WHY YOU WANT THE SIGN TO BE BIGGER IS BECAUSE YOU EXPECT THAT EVENTUALLY THIS WILL BE LIKE A FLYOVER OR A TOLLWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AND ACTUALLY THE ENGINEERS, SOME OF THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE ON CONTRACT THAT ARE MAY ACTUALLY CALLED ME ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD FLYOVERS LOOK LIKE GOING FROM, SAY, NORTH, GOING ON TO NORTHBOUND, THE NORTHBOUND SIDE OF 973, BECAUSE THEY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THERE FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND COMING IN THERE. ALL OF THIS BEING SAID, NUMBER ONE IS WE'RE TALKING 5 TO 7 YEARS BEFORE ANYTHING IS EVEN POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE BUILT. AND REALISTICALLY, THIS SIGN RIGHT NOW AS DESIGNED IS $750,000, FIVE, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE HAVE TO RAISE IT, IT WILL BE WELL IN EXCESS OF A MILLION TO A COMPLETE TEAR DOWN AND PUT IT BACK. AND IT WOULDN'T FALL ON US AS THE DEVELOPER. IT WOULD ACTUALLY FALL ON THE TENANTS ASSOCIATION. SO AND IT'LL BE UP TO THEM AT THAT POINT IF THEY WANT TO DO IT. BUT I GUESS TO SCOTT'S POINT, THE DECISION THAT THERE'S BEEN NO DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE AT GRADE OR ELEVATED OR WHATEVER, I TALKED WITH, I TALKED WITH MIKE ABOUT THAT TODAY. HE SAID, NO, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DESIGNS OTHER THAN THEY ALREADY REALIZED IT BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GOING EAST AND WEST ON 290. MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ELEVATED. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MIKE ARELLANO OR I'M SORRY, MIKE SEXTON, WHO'S THE OH, MIKE SEXTON WITH ME. YEAH. YEAH. BUT TO SCOTT'S POINT, LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT IS LET'S SAY THAT THEY LEAVE 290 AT GRADE AND THEY ELEVATE 973 GOING ACROSS THE INTERSECTION. WELL, THEN YOU HAVE THE SCENARIO OF IF I'M ON IF I'M GOING WESTBOUND ON 290 AND I'VE GOT AN ELEVATED BRIDGE RUNNING ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION, YOU WON'T SEE IT'S LITERALLY GOING TO CUT THE SIGN IN HALF. YEAH. SO THAT WAS THE REASON. SO EVEN IF EVEN IF THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY GETS DONE, WE YOU KNOW THE POA MIGHT DECIDE THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND RAISE THE SIGN UP JUST TO GET IT ABOVE THAT BRIDGE. AND SO ALL WE WERE ASKING FOR IS JUST AND FRANKLY, WE INCLUDED THE PYLON SIGN REALLY MORE AS JUST A, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR ALL IN, YOU KNOW, FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, JUST SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE WHOLE SIGN PACKAGE. WHAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS WITH ALL OF THE RETAILERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE ABOUT WHO GOT MONUMENT SIGNS, WHO COULD BE ON THE PYLON, ETCETERA. AND BELIEVE ME, THOSE WERE THOSE WERE SOME INTERESTING NEGOTIATIONS. WHAT'S THE TYPICAL LIFESPAN OF A OF A OF A TALL
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BLADE OF A, OF A FREESTANDING SIGN LIKE THE PYLON SIGN. HELLO, MR. STROHBACH. LET'S TALK ABOUT SIGN LONGEVITY IS LIFESPAN OF A SIGN AND OF COURSE, IT GOES DOWN TO THE QUALITY OF THE BUILD.OKAY, IF I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN SELLING SIGNS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. SO I'VE BUILT SIGNS.
HAVE YOU EVER REPLACED ANY OF THEM? I HAVE, I HAVE. NOW, GOING BACK WITH NEW OWNERS, THEY HAVE TO TAKE MY OLD SIGN DOWN. STILL FINE, BUT THEY WANT TO EXPAND. BUT THE BETTER. TO THE POINT IS, THE SIGNS STILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD. THERE'S. WE'VE HAD STORMS THROUGH THIS AREA, MANY STORMS, AND I CAN SAY I CAN'T COUNT ON ONE HAND WHERE WE'VE LOST LARGE SIGNS. SO I THINK IT'S THE QUALITY, THE ENGINEERING. THERE IS STANDARD SERIOUS ENGINEERING ON BASE ENGINEERING FOR ALL THESE SIGNS. AND AS MATT MENTIONED, ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS PARTICULAR SIGN AND PLACEMENT AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. THERE'S A BASE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUILT DOWN ON THE GROUND. BIG HOLES, LOTS OF CONCRETE, LOTS OF STEEL. IF WE DO IT FOR 55FT AND LATER ON, SAY COUNCIL SAYS NO, YOU CAN HAVE 75. WE'D HAVE TO DIG ALL THAT OUT AND DO A WHOLE NEW ENGINEERED BASE. AND IT'S ALSO THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS IS AT YOUR PRIMARY. OH, I DON'T LIKE POPPING. THIS IS AT YOUR PRIMARY INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM 290. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ENTRANCE. THAT'S GOING TO INTERRUPT NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC. AND WE ALREADY KNOW FROM COMING OVER HERE AT 630 TODAY, ANYONE THAT LIVED NORTHEAST OF 2009 73. HOW CHALLENGING THAT INTERSECTION IS NOW WITH THE CURRENT TCP IN PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE CURVE AND THE LANE CONDITIONS FOR THE PULL OUT, SO THAT WOULD BE A THIS WOULD BE A LARGE. HOW HOW LARGE OF AN IMPACT WOULD IT BE TO REPLACE THAT SIGN? AS FAR AS A CUT, SHUTTING DOWN THAT, THAT INTERSECTION, BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE AN INTERSECTION SHUT DOWN? A VERY GOOD POINT TO THE TIME. IT WOULD SHUT IT DOWN, BECAUSE FOR ABOUT A COUPLE DAYS. OR ARE WE TALKING WEEKS OR MONTHS AT LEAST, AT LEAST BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG OUT WHAT YOU'VE GOT AND START OVER. OKAY, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WHICH, YEAH, WE MADE THE DECISION AS A GROUP.
AND I ASKED BOB, I SAID, WE WENT AHEAD AND IF THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL APPROVED GOING 75FT, WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN THE BASE TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND PAY FOR IT NOW AND THEN. IF AT SOME POINT THE POA WANTS TO COME BACK IN, THEY'LL PUT UP A TALLER SIGN, THEN IT'S JUST A PART OF TAKING THE SITE, THE EXISTING VERTICAL STRUCTURE OUT AND PUTTING IT IN AND RAISING IT UP AND RAISING IT UP AND NOT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING TO THE UNDERLYING BASE. YES. OKAY.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS COULD DETACH AND REATTACH AND THEN JUST JUST RAISE IT UP. OKAY SO NO NO LARGER SIGN. JUST A TALLER SIGN. OKAY. THAT WAS THE INTENT. I MEAN, I JUST WATCHED THEM REPAVE 973 IN THIS SECTION TWO YEARS AGO. AND THEN WE HAD TO WE HAD TO PUT OUR TEMPORARY LANE ADD ON OVER HERE AND OUR RESTRIPE OVER HERE AND OUR TCP BULB OUT OVER THERE, AND I'M LIKE, OH, WE COULD HAVE JUST DONE THIS ALL AT ONCE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LOVELY, BUT I DON'T KNOW. AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMISSION. I KNOW THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW IS JUST FOR ME, AND WE'RE KILLING OURSELVES TRYING TO GET. YOU'RE GETTING THERE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. YEAH. SCHEDULED TO BE FINISHED END OF SEPTEMBER, I HOPE. YEAH. UNLESS WE GET STUCK ON RAIN. IT'S. IT'S JUST REALLY CHALLENGING. YEAH. THIS IS KIND OF UNRELATED, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS THERE GOING TO BE A WAY TO GET INTO THIS HEB MAYNARD CROSSING? I SHOULD CALL IT FROM LIKE, THE SHADOW GLEN NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS IT THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT AND AROUND ONTO 290 AND COME AROUND. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO DO IT. YOU CAN NOW WE CAN WALK, BIKE ACROSS THE SIDEWALK KIND OF THING. BUT BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO GO OUT ON THE HIGHWAY NOW. MOST OF THEM WILL PROBABLY GO OUT THE BACKSIDE OF SHADOW GLEN AND COME DOWN THAT WAY, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET OUT ONTO 290. SO OH YEAH, THEY WON'T BE TURNING LEFT INTO THERE. WE WILL HAVE ON EASTBOUND EASTBOUND 290 GOING IN THERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A DOUBLE LEFT IN THE MEDIAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BECAUSE WE FIGURED WITH H-E-B AT HOME DEPOT, WE JUST WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THEM STACKING ON 290 ITSELF. AND SO WE PAID FOR A DOUBLE BASICALLY DOUBLE LEFT TO GET
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THEM. WELL, THIS SIGN BE IMPACTED BY THE POSSIBLE SCOPE OF RMAS IF, LET'S SAY ARMY DECIDES TO TAKE PHASE FOUR, TAKE TAKE 290 EAST AND EXTEND IT FROM PALMER ALL THE WAY OUT TO 95 FOR FUN, JUST TO PICK IT OUT OF THERE, WOULD WOULD YOUR SIGN BE IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL? OR PERHAPS BEING AN EASEMENT? WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HAD WITH THEM IS THE CONCEPT OF, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE FOOTPRINT FROM, SAY, GILLIAM CREEK TO 973 IS ALREADY BUILT OUT THAT PROBABLY THE MOST, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE TOOL, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO DO A TAKE UP OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, IS TO BASICALLY RAISE IT, RAISE UP THE TOLLWAY AND THEN TUCK UNDERNEATH AND TUCK THE TUCK THE AT THE FREE ROAD SORT OF UNDERNEATH IT.AND I GUESS I WOULD SHOW YOU THE, THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS 183 OR 183 THROUGH CENTRAL AND THROUGH THROUGH LIKE ANDERSON LANE TO RESEARCH AREA. AND THEN THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO DO IT. YEAH. THEY CAN YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CROSS TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THEN YOU'RE AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH I-35 CENTRAL CAPEX. CENTRAL WITH WITH CANTILEVERING OVER THE NEW LANES. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THANK YOU. THERE'S A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT GOES WITH THIS THAT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEXT MEETING, BUT MAYBE THE ONE AFTER THE FIRST ONE IN SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE OF THIS BEING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY JUST NEED A LICENSE AGREEMENT TO KIND OF SAY, LIKE, HEY, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROPERTY. LIKE, Y'ALL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. THE POA. AND YEAH, PRETTY STANDARD, BUT THEY'VE INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT SORT OF POTENTIALLY IF THERE IS EVER A TAKING FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY TO BE EXPANDED, THAT THE SIGN WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MOVED WITHIN THE EXISTING CITY RIGHT OF WAY FURTHER BACK INTO HOWEVER, IT WAS RECONFIGURED. BUT THAT THAT'S CONSIDERED WITHIN THE LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT THEY CAN MOVE THE SIGN IF THE HIGHWAY WERE EXPANDED. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION GOING BACK TO HOW YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID THE ONE DESIGN OF THE SIGN WOULD BE TO AUTOMATICALLY, BUILD IT SO THAT IT'S STILL AND IT OPENS UP AND YOU CAN JUST LIFT IT UP ESSENTIALLY AN EXTRA 25FT. SO WITHOUT THE APPROVAL FOR A, FOR WITHOUT THE AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, SHOULD THE FLYOVER BE BUILT? YOU ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULD INVEST IN A REDESIGN THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT OR ANYTHING ON THE STRUCTURAL BASE YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT NO MATTER WHAT. RIGHT. SO THEN TECHNICALLY YOU DON'T, BECAUSE EARLIER YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT AND REDO IT. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT AND REDO. IT. IS THAT CORRECT? IF WE JUST DESIGNED FOR A 55 FOOT SIGN AND THEN HAD TO COME BACK AND PUT UP A 75, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE TO RIP EVERYTHING OUT, INCLUDING THE BASE. SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE BASE AS IF WE COULD DO A 75 FOOT. AND THEN THAT THAT THAT MITIGATES YOUR COST BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY, YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC. YEAH. YEAH.
YEAH. THAT'S THE BIG TURN TO GET INTO. YEAH. BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THE. BUT THE DESIGN ITSELF FOR THE, TO ACCOMMODATE THE 75 FOOT SIGN HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED, AND THAT IS WHAT'S GOING IN. YOU CAN ENGINEER. YEAH THE BASE OF THE SIGN, IT'LL BE ENGINEERED TO HOLD A 75. ENGINEERED FOR UP TO A 75 FOOT SIGN. BUT THE 55 FOOT DESIGN INCLUDES THAT, SO YOU WON'T. YOU WOULDN'T SEE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THERE WHEN NEEDED. AND THAT WILL HAPPEN INDEPENDENT OF OUR DECISION HERE TODAY. YES. YES. OKAY. I WOULD SAY THIS IF THERE WAS EVER A SIGN THAT I WANTED TO BE BIG AND VIEWABLE AND LIKE. VISIBLE. IT'S THIS ONE BECAUSE THIS HAS ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT EVER SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE FOR TEN YEARS. NOT THAT WE DON'T VALUE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. YES, WE VALUE ASCO AS WELL. JUST SAYING, BUT THIS IS A SIGN.
LET'S MAKE THIS THING AS BIG AS WE NEED TO. THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW. IT'S VERY. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. A MOTION. WHO KNEW I'D GET HUNG UP ABOUT A FIVE BELOW SIGN? I MEAN, I I'M SORRY, OR ALL THE OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE COMING, BUT YES, I LOVE IF IT CAN BE ON THE RECORD. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT AN HEB. THE SIGN PLAN AS REVISED. WAIT, LET ME GO BACK TO MY MOTION THING.
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THE SIGN? THE COORDINATED SIGN PLAN. SITE PLAN AS SIGN. PLAN AS REVISED IS TO CAP IT AT 55FT AS PER THE CROSS OUT RED INK. YEAH. SO IT WOULD SAY 55. BUT FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AMENABLE TO KIND OF THE REVISIONS THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE ELEVATED OR IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SORT OF SAYING IT CAN BE RAISED TO 75 WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. I DO HAVE I'M ON THAT. THAT'S WHERE I AM. ME TOO.YEAH. SORRY. FUTURE COMMISSION. BUT. YEAH. WHAT IS THE. WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE OF. BECAUSE I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BASE IS GOING TO BE BUILT THE SAME WAY NO MATTER WHAT, TO ACCOMMODATE THE 75 FOOT SIGN. SO WHAT'S THE NEGATIVE OF. THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEAN ALSO NOT LIKE. YEAH.
ESSENTIALLY THEY IF WE SAID IF WE CAPPED THEM AT 75 TODAY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO UPON UPON RATHER THAN 55 OR 70. PARDON ME. 55. WE KEPT THEM AT 55 TODAY. THE THEY WOULD THE, THE POA THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WOULD HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND BRING IN OUR FRIENDS HERE AND HAVE THEM OR THEIR OR SOMEBODY ELSE AND HAVE THEM COME IN AND REAPPLY TO THE COUNCIL AND ESSENTIALLY WOULD CREATE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR, FOR THE, THE PLETHORA OF HUMANS THAT WILL BE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH BECOMES KIND OF THIS VERSUS HAVING THE MASTER DEVELOPER COME IN. NOW, ESSENTIALLY, THE MASTER DEVELOPER'S COMING IN NOW AND SAYING, HEY, CAN WE GET BLANKET APPROVAL FOR IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY JUST SEEK A PERMIT TO THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID WHAT THE PREVIOUS THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. THE PREVIOUS GUY HAD TO COME BACK AND HE'S LIKE TRYING TO SCRAMBLE, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT. SO AND I THINK FOR ME, IF THE 75 FOOT ALLOWANCE WAS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO BRING THIS IN, THEN PERHAPS WE OUGHT TO ADHERE TO THAT AND DO WHAT THEY AGREED TO. I THINK THAT'S IN THE SPIRIT.
YEAH. YEAH. SO, YEAH, TO YOUR QUESTION, THE ONLY THE DOWNSIDE POTENTIALLY IS JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH A NEW COMMISSION SHIFTING ADMINISTRATION, SHIFTING VALUES IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE JUST BE SO BIG. YEAH. THEY MAY JUST BE IN THE FUTURE.
SOMEONE MIGHT DECIDE THAT, HEY, THESE SIGNS ARE TOO BIG. AND THEN SUDDENLY IT'S GETTING BIGGER WITHOUT ANY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DOWNSIDE I'VE SEEN TO COME UP BEFORE WHERE COUNCIL SORT OF LAMENTED PRIOR COUNCIL'S ACTIONS, WHERE THEY NOW HAVE TO DO WHAT A PRIOR COUNCIL SAID THEY NEEDED TO DO, IT IS RARE IT DOESN'T. BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE VALUE SHIFTS. THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHWAY IS, YOU KNOW, AREN'T TOMORROW. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE WITH THE DISCUSSION ABOUT 973 PARTICULARLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 290 WASN'T REALLY DISCUSSED. YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO BUILD AND THIS IS PROPOSALS, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, BUILD OUT THE FRONTAGE ROADS INITIALLY. AND THAT WAS BY LIKE 2030. YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE 4 TO 6 YEARS. AND THEN SOMETIME WITHIN THE NEXT, LIKE TEN YEARS AFTER THAT KIND OF BUILDING OUT THE MAIN LANES, WHICH THEY HAD PROPOSED AS THE ELEVATED SECTION, WHICH IT CHANGES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'LL BE 290 WHEN THAT GETS STUDIED TO THE RMA AND IT SHIFTS ALL THE TIME, BUT SOMETHING WILL BE ELEVATED. AND THEY DID TALK ABOUT THE DIRECT CONNECTORS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE EVEN HIGHER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, TODAY IT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, AS IF WE HAVE GRADE SEPARATION. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FLYOVERS AT THAT POINT. YEAH. THAT'S AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION YOU'LL NEED, YOU'LL NEED. YEAH.
WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE OUR RETAILERS SOME ASSURANCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A VISIBLE SIGN. YEAH. PEOPLE COMING IN FROM ELGIN WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S COMING UP.
PANEL. THE PANEL, IF THEY PAY FOR THE PANELS AND EVERYTHING THEMSELVES. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, IF THEY PUT IT UP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS BLOCKED BY A FREEWAY. YEAH. WINNING BATTLE.
IT JUST BECOMES A REAL QUESTION. YEAH. SO KIND OF GOING BACK, MAYBE. SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD SAY LIKE, HEY, DO 55 TODAY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS ARE ELEVATED, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S 299, 73, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY, HE, ADMINISTRATIVELY THIS CAN GET RAISED TO 75 AS ALLOWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. ARE WE COMFORTABLE TO TRY A MOTION? COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU GET ME TO TRY IT THIS TIME? NO, YOU'RE NOT THERE. WELL, NO, I JUST DON'T. I GUESS I'M THERE'S A LOT OF ON THIS. A LOT OF LITTLE TINY FONT RIDING, AND I HAVEN'T READ IT ALL. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IF TO A IF THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE IT AS REVISED WOULD THAT IS THE REVISION PART OF THAT THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 55 NOW AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IF YOU WANT 75. NO. SO THE REVISION FOR
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YOU IS JUST SAYING 55. SO YOUR MOTION WOULD SAY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE REVISED AGREEMENT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ABILITY TO INCREASE TO 75FT. WHEN, YOU KNOW, 290 OR 973 IS THEN BECOMES AN ELEVATED SHOULD THOSE BE ELEVATED EXPRESSWAYS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE REVISION. WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE REVISED. YEAH. CORRECT. WE COULD NOT REALLY TAKE THE REVISED PLAN IS TO CAP IT AT 55. BUT THAT'S THE ESSENTIALLY THE RED THE RED INK ON PAGE 168 AND 169. YEAH IS THE IS THE AMENDED OR IS THE REVISIONS PROPOSED BY STAFF? DOES DOES THAT KIND OF WORK FOR YOU ALL THE ON THE ON THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS THE CAP AT 55. IF WE CAN GET BACK TO 75, WE'RE FINE WITH THE OTHER CHANGES. WE WERE WE WERE OKAY NEGOTIATING WITH STAFF AND WE WERE FINE AS FINE AS IT WAS, IT WAS WRITTEN. IT WAS JUST THAT WHEN WE GOT CAPPED AT 55 AND WE ALREADY HAD THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT 75, I WAS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THESE GUYS SOME ASSURANCES THAT THEIR SIGN'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE. EVEN IF THE FREEWAY GETS OPEN. I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR CROSSING COORDINATED SIGN PLAN AS REVISED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAINTAINING THE MAXIMUM OF 75FT IN HEIGHT FOR THE BUTLER CO FREESTANDING SIGN AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A. DID YOU WANT TO START IN LIKE THE 75 LIKE CONDITIONED ON ANY O CONDITIONED. YES CAP OF 75FT. SORRY. DO YOU WANT ME TO START OVER ON THAT ONE MINUTES. I'M GOING TO START OVER. ALL RIGHT. 75FT. TEN, TEN YEARS OF HANGING AT AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL WATCHING ZONING CASES. SEE, I THINK THAT'S THE COMMENT RIGHT THERE, NUMBER ONE. OH 1111 C IS THE 11 C THAT'S THE PART THAT I WAS TRYING TO MODIFY OR TRYING TO REVISE OR QUASI REVISE. SO I'LL ADD ANOTHER CONDITION ON THAT. YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHTY. A NEW MOTION ON THE TABLE TO CONSIDER. COMMISSIONERS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REVOKE YOUR. OH, I READ IT. DOES HE KNOW MY. I RECALL MY PREVIOUS PARTIAL MOTION THAT WAS NEVER SECONDED. OKAY I MOVE APPROVAL. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MANOR CROSSING COORDINATED SIGN PLAN AS REVISED WITH THE EXCEPTION TO SECTION 11 C, WHEREAS THE BUTLER CO FREESTANDING SIGN SHALL BE ALLOWED PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH A MAXIMUM OF 55FT AT INITIAL BUILDOUT. HOWEVER ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO EXCEED 55FT AND GO TO A FULL LIMIT OF 75FT IN THE UPON CONSTRUCTION OF AN ELEVATED ROADWAY OF EITHER FM 973 OR US 290. PERIOD. THAT MAKES SENSE.PERIOD. IT MAKES SENSE. SECOND, GOOD MOTION. MOTION BY. YEAH. THIS IS GOOD. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STENSLAND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TERRY. ALL IN FAVOR? HI. HI. HI. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. DOES THAT HELP? YEAH. OR DOES THAT HELP EVERYBODY HERE? OKAY NO. AND TO BE HONEST, THESE PLANS COULD CHANGE VERY FAST AND VERY. I MEAN, THIS IS THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN TEXAS, AND IT'S ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE COUNTRY. AND SO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW COULD BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM FROM WHAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE. SO THANK YOU GUYS. YEAH I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. AND WE LOVE PLAZAS. PLAZAS WITH CUTE LITTLE STUFF AND LIKE FLOWERS AND PLAZAS AND LITTLE FOUNTAINS. FOUNTAINS. LOVING THE FOUNTAIN. MAYBE A LITTLE ARCHWAY. YOU KNO, CITY OF MAINE, OR MAYBE A LITTLE MINI REPLICA OF THE TOWER. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING THERE.
YEAH. WE'RE PLAZA. WE'RE PLAZA PEOPLE. WE ARE PLAZA PEOPLE. SO GOOD THAT. YES. IS THIS. YES.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN YOUR PICTURES, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN YOUR PICTURES JUST HANGING OUT BY THE SIGNS. HANG OUT BY THE FOUNTAINS. HANG OUT BY THE PLAZAS. JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION. SORRY. BUTLER FAMILY. THIS IS ROY AND ANNE BUTLER FAMILY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. WONDERFUL PIECE OF LAND THAT HE BOUGHT IN 1972. HE MADE IT BEFORE HE BECAME MAYOR. YEAH, RIGHT BEFORE HE BECAME MAYOR. AND IT WAS FARMLAND UP UNTIL ABOUT FIVE
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YEARS AGO. I KNOW. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TERRY. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE WE HAVE. WE ARE CLOSING THE MEETING AT* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.