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I'M JEFF STINSON. I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS IS THE REGULAR HEARING OR REGULAR MEETING HAPPENING ON AUGUST 14TH, 2024.
IT IS 8:44 P.M. OR FOR COMMISSIONER CHAVIS, 2044. WITH THAT, I WILL, DO A ROLL CALL WHILE WE HAVE, COMMISSIONER TERRY. COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER TERRY. COMMISSIONERS, I'M SO SORRY. LEONARD. AND COMMISSIONER ORION PRESENT. I'M CHAIR STENSLAND. AND ALSO WITH US IS THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE. MR. TIMMERMAN. STAFF IS PRESENT FOR OUR CONSULTING ENGINEER AS WELL AS OUR, CLERK AND OUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. WITH THAT, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT, FIRST WE WILL WE HAVE NO AGENDA ITEM, OR WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS AVAILABLE. THERE HAVE BEEN NO
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CARDS TURNED IN WHITE OR YELLOW. I'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS TO APPROVE ALL THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SELF-EXPLANATORY BY THE COMMUNITY IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND WILL BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS REQUESTED BY THE CHAIR OR COMMITTEE MEMBER, IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. ITEM ONE IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, THIS IS A CONSIDERATION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES FOR JULY 10TH, 2024. THEY ARE IN THE PACKET. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. I WILL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER LEONARD AND A SECOND FROM, PARDON ME, FROM COMMITTEE MEMBER LEONARD AND A SECOND FROM COMMITTEE MEMBER TERRY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION. DISCUSSION AND
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POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE UPDATED COMPARISON CHART AND NEW IMPACT FEE COMPARISON CHART THAT INCLUDES MINOR HOODOO AND THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE. THAT IS ALSO IN OUR PACKET. LET ME CATCH UP HERE. REALLY QUICK. YES THERE WE GO. AS YOU SAW AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU HAD ASKED THAT I ADD THE, PFLUGERVILLE TO THIS CHART. SO THAT IS WHAT WE DID. SO WE COMPARE BASTROP, HUTTO, PFLUGERVILLE. WHAT MINA IS CURRENTLY AND WHAT MAYNARD IS PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. IF YOU LOOK AND SE, PFLUGERVILLE HAS A SET AMOUNT FOR RESIDENTIAL, SO IT'S NOT BASED ON THE SERVICE AREA, AND IT'S THE SAME FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AND RETAIL, RATHER THAN HAVE IT PER SERVICE AREA. PFLUGERVILLE THEY BASICALLY SET A STANDARD FLAT RATE FOR INDUSTRIAL OR RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL INSTEAD OF, BASING IT ON SERVICE AREA AND PAULINE TO CLARIFY, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HERE IS THE IMPACT AS THE IMPACT OF THE RIFF ON THE OVERALL COMMUNITY IMPACT FEE. YES. AND SO BASICALLY ALL I DID WAS I COMPARED WHAT CURRENTLY FOR MINOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD BE JUST TO DO WATER AND WASTEWATER FOR THE IMPACT FEES.AND THEN YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE ADD THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES IN, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. ESPECIALLY FOR INDUSTRIAL, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THIS AGENDA, BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING TO WRAP STUFF UP, IS DECIDE WHAT RECOMMENDATION Y'ALL WANT TO MAKE TO COUNCIL, WHETHER Y'ALL WANT TO RECOMMEND. OKAY. YOU KNOW, FOR RESIDENTIAL, WE WANT X AMOUNT. FOR INDUSTRIAL WE WANT X AMOUNT, AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE, OKAY, IF WE SET IT AT THIS AMOUNT, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT HE IS DOING OR PFLUGERVILL, BECAUSE, WELL, HOW DOES THE SAME WAY WHERE THEY HAVE SET AMOUNTS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND SET FOR LIKE INDUSTRIAL? IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR RESIDENTIAL WHERE LIKE THE TOTAL WITH THE RIFF IS
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WHERE WE'RE REASONABLE, RIGHT? YEAH. THE THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, I MEAN, A MILLION FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE LARGE, LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL ONES ARE A LITTLE MORE HARD TO WHAT THAT IS LIKE WHEN WE CALCULATE THAT, REMEMBER WE HAVE THE THREE SERVICE AREAS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE ONE, WHERE IT SAYS ROADWAY IMPACT FEE, LOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE LOWEST ONE. AND THEN HIGH IS THE HIGHEST ONE. AND WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IS THEY'VE SET JUST LIKE A FLAT RATE. NO MATTER WHAT SERVICE AREA YOU'RE IN, TO MAKE IT EVEN FOR EVERYBODY. AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO IS THAT IS SERVICE AREA WHICH WHICH SIDE OF TOWN IS SERVICE AREA ONE? IS THAT THE WEST SIDE? SERVICE AREA ONE IS. OH, GOSH. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. OH NO. IT'D BE EAST BECAUSE IT'D BE THE HIGHER IMPACT FEE FOR AN INDUSTRIAL. KNOW WHAT IT IS ONE OF THE MAP. IT'S GOT LIKE SOME OF THE OLDER PARTS OF THE CITY AND WHATNOT. SO ONE WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER. I'M SO SORRY.OH, THANK YOU. YEAH. SO WE SPLIT UP ONE AND TWO, AND THEN WE ENDED UP ADDING THREE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHERE THE GROWTH IS IN CERTAIN SERVICE AREAS, CAUSES YOU TO GO BEYOND THE SIX MILE FEE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS GROWTH, BUT IT'S, NOT SPREAD OUT AS IN, LIKE SERVICE AREA THREE, WHICH IS TO THE EAST PART OF THE CITY BY WHERE YOU LIVE, YEAH, THAT ONE WAS CAME OUT LOWER JUST BECAUSE THERE'S MORE PROPOSED PROJECTS OUT THAT WAY THAT COULD COVER THE COST OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY DO CITIES TYPICALLY USE. ONE THING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT ON THIS IS DO CITIES USE OR. I GUESS I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS ROADWAY IMPACT.
THE TOTAL IMPACT FEES WILL REALLY DETERMINE WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. IS THAT A IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? IF YOU HAVE A FOR INSTANCE OR DO DO DO DO IMPACT FEES COLLECTIVELY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE GET, KIND OF A LET'S SAY THAT WE HAVE A WE ARE WAY WE ARE WE'RE 30% ABOVE OUR, OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ON 130 AS FAR AS THE INDUSTRIAL USE, THE LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL. WOULD THAT DISCOURAGE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING IN OUR AREA? AND OR IS THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD GO TO THAT THEY WOULD GO KIND OF LIKE DRIVE UNTIL YOU QUALIFY, DRIVE IT TO THE LOWER COST, RIGHT, YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD AFFECT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING, A BIG INVESTMENT FOR THEM. AND IF THEY CAN GO OUT IN THE ETJ AND CONSTRUCT SOMETHING WITHOUT ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, THEN. YEAH. SO YOU'D SEE A TESLA ISSUE THAT WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. THEY'RE GOING TO BASICALLY GO WHEREVER THEY CAN GO TO CONSTRUCT WHAT THEY WANT AND SPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW. SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS, TOO, IS THAT THEY COULD SAY, SAY THEY SAY THAT SERVICE AREA ONE IS REALLY HIGH FOR HIGH INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, FOR LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL, THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY MOVE TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF, OF OUR ETJ AND, AND BUILDING THAT KIND OF LIKE WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEAR ISH OR THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THEY COULD MOVE TO ONE OF THOSE OTHER SPOTS BUILD AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE IMPACT FEE. BUT THE IMPACT WOULD BE FELT BY THE BY THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE DRIVING THROUGH TOWN AND DRIVING ON CITY STREETS. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE, BALANCING ACT CONCERNS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
WAS YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, BUT YOU WANT TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY TO NOT, CREATE A BUBBLE EFFECT, KIND OF PUSHING THE YOU DON'T WANT TO LIKE, HAVE PEOPLE NOT, YOU KNOW, MAINERS GROWING, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO STOP THAT GROWTH BY HAVING THESE, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY. IS THERE A WAY TO, TO GET THE YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THE TOTAL WITH THE WITH THE HIGH IMPACT FEE, IS THERE IS THERE A IS THERE A WAY TO ADJUST INDUSTRIAL OR LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL AND ALSO SMALL SCALE INDUSTRIAL? WELL, MY GOODNESS YES. WHAT THE COMMITTEE CAN DO AND WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER IS THE COMMITTEE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BUT ULTIMATELY COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT TO SET IT AT. BUT THEY CAN SET THE FEE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY. AND SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN
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OTHER CITIES IS, THEY'VE DECIDED TO HAVE JUST SET RATES BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL GET THEIR IMPACT FEES, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SLOWING DOWN GROWTH. SO LIKE, I SAID, WHAT WE DO, WE GO AND I PRESENT TO COUNCIL WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN ALL THE MEETINGS. THIS LIKE THIS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS. BUT IT'S UP TO COUNCIL WHAT THEY SET IT AT. AND YOU'LL SEE ITEM FOUR IS THE ORDINANCE. AND THAT HAS TWO SECTIONS. SO THERE'S LIKE THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE OR RIGHT FEE, WHICH IS YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE ALREADY APPROVED PROJECTS, SO LIKE ON THE LOW END, THEY'RE ALREADY AT 50%. WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT FINANCIAL STUDY TO SEE LIKE, ANY HIGHER THAN THAT. SO THE SERVICE AREA TWO IS THE LOW ONE AT FIVE 1701. AND SERVICE AREA ONE IS A LITTLE HIGHER AT SEVEN 2754 PER VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, BUT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. SO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. BUT THEN AS YOU'RE GETTING TO WE CAN SAY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. SO YOUR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW THAT 727 OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CAP IT AS LIKE AT 400. AND BUT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL STILL PAYS THAT 50% RATE. THE FULL 727 IS WITHIN THAT ONE SERVICE AREA. BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD YOU COULD SET THAT NUMBER OVERALL. BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, IT IS UP TO COUNCIL IF THEY DECIDE, HEY, WE WANT TO ASSESS MORE CLOSER TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT 50%. THAT'S THEIR DECISION. IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE YOU HAVE A DISCRETION ON THAT RECOMMENDATION. IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T GO OVER THAT 50% AMOUNT. CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE LIMITER. AND I'M JUST TRYING I'M IF WE IF WE KIND OF SPLIT THE BABY IN HALF BETWEEN HUTTO AND PFLUGERVILLE, WE LAND SOMEWHERE AROUND 725 FOR A, FOR A HIGH FOR A HIGH IMPACT FEE, FOR A LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL.AND WE WOULD LAND AT, ABOUT. 250 FOR 245 TO 250 FOR SMALL SCALE INDUSTRIAL AND THEN RETAIL WERE PRETTY MUCH IN PARITY. WE'RE RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE TWO, IT'S JUST THOSE I WORRY ABOUT THE ETJ IMPACT OR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO YOU YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR FEES. YOU KIND OF WANT TO YOU USE YOUR FEES TO KIND OF HELP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING, I GUESS EARLIER IS YOU KIND OF USE YOUR FEES TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
YES, AS LIMITED AS WE ARE IN, IN DISCRETIONARY AND NON-DISCRETIONARY CONTROLS ON THE ON OTHER FACTORS AND ALSO TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ABOUT EXCLUDING SPECIAL AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. IF WE WANTED TO. BUT AS FAR AS THE FEES ARE CONCERNED, I DO WORRY ABOUT US LOADING UP THE ETJ OR THE SECOND, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE ANNEXATION IS A DIFFERENT PICTURE THAN IT WAS. YEAH, FIVE YEARS AGO. SO THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR I WOULD POINT OUT. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS ON, BECAUSE ACTUALLY WHAT JEFF SAID WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. YOU LEAD, YOU ASSIGN FEES TO LEAD THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREAS THAT YOU WANT, AND ACCORDING TO OUR, OUR TOTAL PLAN, OUR CITY PLAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, RETAIL FEES ARE RELATIVELY OR 130. YEAH RELATIVELY LOW, IN LINE WITH THE OTHER CITIES IN THE REALLY THE HIGH OUT LIKE THE OUTSTANDING FEE IS THE INDUSTRIAL FEE. THE FEE FOR INDUSTRIAL? YEAH, ZONIN. ARE WE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GUIDE IF WE'RE IF THE MAIN CONCERN IS INHIBITING GROWTH, ARE WE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GUIDE PEOPLE AWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL. AND IS THAT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY PLAN? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO BOOST RETAIL. BUT WHAT IS OUR GOALS WHEN ESPECIALLY IN SERVICE AREA ONE WHERE THE FEE IS ALMOST 900,000 FOR A TYPICAL FOR A LARGE SCALE SERVICE AREA, WHEN YOU WOULDN'T SEE THAT MUCH MORE INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING BUILT NOW ARE ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO RENT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY RIGHT. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT, YEAH. BUT SERVICE AREA ONE, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT AND ALL THE MAPS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STUFF, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY PLAN. INDUSTRIAL. SO IF WE'RE NOT IN THAT SERVICE AREA, MOST OF THE INDUSTRIAL STUFF WILL BE COMING INTO TOWARDS THE EAST.
THE EAST PART. SO, SO SERVICE AREA THREE WHICH IS THREE. YEAH. LISTED. BUT YEAH IT WOULD BE PROBABLY IN LINE WITH SIMILAR FEES AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING FOR SERVICE AREA TWO, ABOUT 517 OR
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ABOUT $450. YEAH. BECAUSE WHAT WE DID, WE BEFORE YOU STARTED, WE WENT AND WE TRIED TO MAKE HIM AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE AS WE COULD. YOU KNOW BECAUSE SERVICE AREA ONE IT DOES INCLUDE THE OLDER PART OF MAYNARD. YEAH. AND SO THERE'S LIMITED DEVELOPMENT COMING IN IN THAT PART WHERE IT WOULD AFFECT THE ROADS TO TRIGGER LIKE A TIA REQUIREMENT OR ANYTHING. OKAY. YOUR TIA THRESHOLD IS STILL 2000 OR IS IT 2000 TRIPS. YES. OKAY YEAH. WE FOLLOW CITY OF AUSTIN FOR THOSE WONDERING, I AM A NERD AND I STUDY TRANSPORTATION. I DO TRANSPORTATION FOR WORK, BUT ALSO I I'VE READ I USED TO COVER THIS FOR A LONG TIME AS A REPORTER. SO, I GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. AND THE GRAY AREA HERE ON THE MAP IS THE ETJ. CURRENTLY ON THE MAP O, ON ON PAGE 15 OF ITEM THREE. AND WE DON'T CONTROL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE COLLECTED FROM THAT AREA, BUT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GUIDE OR DO WE HAVE CONTROL OVER. YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER ZONING EITHER. NO WE HAVE NO LAND USE AUTHORITY. NO, WE JUST DO SUBDIVISION ALONG WITH TRAVIS COUNTY AND SIGNAGE. BUT GIVEN THE SB 2038, ALL WE NEED IS A LITTLE LETTER FROM SOMEONE IN THE ETJ WHO SAYS THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN IT ANYMORE, AND BIFUNCTIONAL FOR 45 DAYS. LATER THEY'RE OUT AND WE HAVE ZERO REGULATION AUTHORITY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY YEAH. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LEONARD ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S A MAJOR IMPEDIMENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. ANYWAY. I DO HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ON THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE RETAIL TO BE HONEST, I SPOKE WITH MAJESTIC REALTY, BRIAN MASTERSON OVER THERE. THE LARGEST INDUSTRIAL OWNER IN THE UNITED STATES. PRIVATE INDUSTRIAL OWNER IN THE UNITED STATES. THEY'RE DOING A PROJECT WITH US ON DECKER LANE RIGHT NOW. AND HIS THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS WERE THAT ANYTHING OVER A DOLLAR TO $1.50 A FOOT IS A MAJOR IMPEDIMENT TO A PROJECT. ANYTHING OVER HOW MUCH? $1 TO $1, 50 SQUARE FOOT. SQUARE FOOT? YEAH SO I'M SORRY. OH. GO AHEAD. SORRY. OH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. AND THEN I ALSO TALKED TO A BIG BOX DEVELOPER, AND HE SAID THAT ROADWAY IMPACT FEES HAVE KILLED MORE RETAIL PROJECTS THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER THING. YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY THOUGHT THAT A REASONABLE NUMBER WOULD BE IN THAT SAME KIND OF RANGE. HE THOUGHT THAT A, YOU KNOW, 250 ON A 60,000 WOULD BE WOULD BE A DEAL KILLER. I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO. RIGHT. AND WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SAME THING WHERE AND THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT HUTTO. BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE GOING OUT TO HUTTO INSTEAD OF PFLUGERVILLE, BECAUSE PFLUGERVILLE HAD HIGHER IMPACT FEES. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT HUTTO AND PFLUGERVILLE ARE THE TWO MAIN ONES. IN AUSTIN, ETJ, I THINK TO KEEP IN MIND IS A COMPETITOR OF MAYNOR. AND THERE'S ZERO IMPACT FEES THERE. THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALL THAT INDUSTRIAL GOING UP AT 290 AND 130. YEAH, RIGHT OVER THERE. YEAH. LIKE OFF OF PALMER AND STUFF. THAT'S WHY ALL THAT STUFF WENT IN DECKER LANE, WHERE WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT WITH MAJESTIC IS AUSTIN ETJ AS WELL? YEAH. BUT REALLY, HOW MUCH INDUSTRIAL ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? HOW MUCH INDUSTRIAL ARE WE REALLY? WELL, NO. YEAH. IS THAT IN LINE WITH. THERE'S QUITE A FEW INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPERS THAT WE'VE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH RIGHT NOW IN WHICH, SERVICE AREA PROBABLY CLOSE TO 30003. SO THAT'S CREATING ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO, OUR TWO MAIN, EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, WHICH WOULD BE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE INDUSTRIAL THINKING. THE BIG PURPLE AREAS, THOSE WOULD BE, I MEAN, THERE ARE PORTIONS IN OUR ETJ. WE HAVE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS. SO THEY WOULD COME INTO THE CITY. THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT SB 2038 OPTION, AND WE ARE WORKING PROJECTS ACTIVELY NOW TRYING TO GET SOME INDUSTRIAL THERE, THOSE FALL INTO SERVICE AREA THREE. IT'S ESSENTIALLY COUNTY ROAD 1100, WHICH IS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE THERE. AND THEN THAT'S OLD KIMBRO ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT TEARS OFF OF OLD HIGHWAY 20. IS THAT CORRECT? EXACTLY, YES. OKAY SO THEN THE FEES DON'T REALLY, LIKE, MATTER AS MUCH FOR THE OTHER SERVICE AREAS FOR INDUSTRIAL. LIKE IF THEY ARE HIGH, IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO EVEN HAVE AN IMPACT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING INDUSTRIAL THERE ANYWAY. IT'S JUST SERVICE AREA THREE THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE COMPETITIVE, I MEAN, THERE COULD[00:20:06]
POSSIBLY BE SOMETHING IN SERVICE AREA TWO, PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE SERVICE AREA ONE. JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY SOME INDUSTRIAL THERE. AND, SERVICE AREA ONE MIGHT EXPAND. YEAH, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR A SWAP BETWEEN AUSTIN AND VAYNER. SO THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT. OKAY. TO THE WEST, THAT MAY ANNEX IN AND END UP BEING IN SERVICE AREA ONE.AND THEY WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL, SO BUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY UNLESS THEY WERE PLATTED. OR IS IT, WOULD THEY PAY UPON SERVICE? IS THIS FOR BUILDING PERMIT? ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND STUFF, THEN IT SETS THE DATES. AND BASICALLY WHENEVER YOU RECORD YOUR PLAT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW WE BASE EVEN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE ALREADY PLATTED IN 2008, THEN YOU PAY 2008 FEES. YEAH I KNOW WE FOCUS A LOT ON INDUSTRIAL, BUT I THINK MAYBE THE LARGER CONCERN HERE IS MAYBE RETAIL ONLY BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL LIKE, LIKE DEVELOPERS THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY END UP COMING TO THESE THREE SERVICE AREAS IS PROBABLY A LOT LOWER, SO CAN I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THE FACT THAT THE RETAIL FEES ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN PFLUGERVILLE, WHICH WE WOULD SAY COMPARABLY WOULD BE THE RETAIL THAT WE WOULD WANT FOR THE CITY, YEAH. THOSE FEES WERE TO SERVE THE WAS CALCULATED BASED ON WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE IMPROVED IN THAT SERVICE AREA, AND DIVIDING IT BY THE ESTIMATED TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLE MILES. THAT WOULD BE ADDED IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE FEE FOR EACH SERVICE AREA. AND SO RETAIL, IT'S SO MANY VEHICLE MILES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S HOW YOU CALCULATE IT. YOU TAKE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLE MILES AND MULTIPLY IT BY THE, THAT WOULD BE ADDED AS AN IMPACT OF THE. YEAH, RIGHT. SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT PFLUGERVILLE I? BECAUSE THEIRS IS LOWER THAN HUTTO'S. THERE'S THIS MUCH LOWER. BUT I THOUGHT PFLUGERVILLE WAS HIGHER THAN PFLUGERVILLE IS LISTED AS 30 ON THIS CHART THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR 50,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL ON THE LOW IMPACT FEE, ON THE LOW RIFF. IT'S 39,750. ON THE HIGH IMPACT FEE, IT'S 78.9. AND WE'RE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES THAT. OR ABOUT DOUBLE THAT. AND THIS IS JUST ONE MORE CONSIDERATION. THOUGHT BECAUSE I KNOW RETAIL DOES DRIVE A LOT OF SALES TAX FOR THE CITIES. YEAH, ESPECIALLY IN COMPARISON TO INDUSTRIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. SO IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IF WE MAKE SOMETHING MORE TAX FAVORABLE FOR RETAIL, THEN THEY WILL THEN ALSO BE POURING BACK DOLLARS INTO THE CITY? WELL, THIS IS ONLY LOOKING DO TAXES AND STUFF. NO, THIS IS ONLY LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE ESSENTIALLY IT'S TRYING TO GET THE IMPACT OR THE ESSENTIALLY THE REPAIR COSTS COVERED COSTS. THAT IS JUST BASED ON FROM TIAS AND WHATNOT THAT SUBMITTED FOR EACH PROJECT. WHAT STREET NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND ESTIMATED COSTS ABOUT HOW MUCH IT IS TO EXPAND THE NEEDS, BASICALLY. AND SO, AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING FOR TAXES. YEAH SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY TO SHIFT THE COST FROM A BOND ELECTION OR FROM CEOS, USUALLY A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ELECTION TOWARD. YEAH. WHAT THE IMPACT FEES DO IS WHEN NEW STUFF COMES IN, THEY HELP COVER THE COST OF IMPROVING YOUR WATER, WASTEWATER, POSSIBLY ROADWAY TO WHERE YOU AS A CURRENT CITIZEN, DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO DO SOME OF THESE ROADWAY PROJECTS. I WAS TALKING EARLIER ABOUT, THEY, YOU KNOW, COUNCILS PASSED BONDS RECENTLY IN 2020. I KNOW THEY DID. THEY JUST DID IN 2023. AND SO WHEN THEY DO THOSE BONDS AND STUFF, THAT AFFECTS YOUR TAX RATE AS A CITIZEN IN MANER. CORRECT. AND SO WHAT THESE IMPACT FEES DO IS TAKE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE OFF THE CITY USING CITY FUNDS, BONDING CAPACITY. AND THEN THEY USE THE SO THE DEVELOPERS HELP OUT TO PAY FOR SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING WITHIN THE CITY.
AND THAT WAY THE BONDING AND IT'S THESE IMPACT THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES ONLY ALLOWED. IT'S VERY PRESCRIPTIVE ON STATE LAW OF HOW IT CAN BE USED. IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR IT HAS ITS PRIMARY FOCUS, HAS TO BE ON CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE MORE PEOPLE WALK IN. WE'RE TALKING MORE VEHICLE CAPACITY ON THE ROADWAYS. SO WE'RE TALKING LANE
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ADDITIONS, PAUL, BULB OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, SLIP LANES. IF THE ENGINEER THOUGHT THAT SLIP LANES WERE A LOVELY THING. YEAH BUT THOSE TYPES OF CAPACITY EXPANSIONS, CAPACITY INCREASES IN THE NETWORK. SO, LIKE, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT TOWER ROAD. YES. SO WHAT? THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES WOULD DO IF SOMEBODY COMES UP, THEN IT COULD HELP TO WIDEN IT, NOT JUST IN THE AREA BY THAT ONE PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT WORK ON IT NOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU. TOWER IS ONE OF THOSE ROADS WHERE THE CITY ONLY OWNS A VERY SMALL PORTION. YEAH SO AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY'RE ONLY IMPROVING IT ALONG THEIR STRETCH, BECAUSE THAT'S PART CITY, AND THEY DID NOT TRIGGER I DON'T THINK THEY TRIGGER A TIA WITH THE COUNTY, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ON GREG LANE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. YES. GREG LANE HAS A LOT OF SECTIONS WHERE YOU COULD EXPAND IT, OR YOU EITHER INSTALL A 425 FOOT EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE THERE. RIGHT. AND SO THAT HAVEN BASED ON TIA'S FOR THAT MONARCH RANCHES OUT THERE, NEW HAVEN. YEAH, AND JUST THE OVERALL THOROUGHFARE PLAN. YEAH, YEAH.SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE PROJECTS. IT WAS STUFF FROM TIA'S AND THEN STUFF THAT'S ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. OKAY ALL RIGHT, WE'LL WRAP IT UP. SORRY. I'M SORRY. I KNOW WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT AN INTEREST OF TIME. YEAH. I'M SO SORRY. OKAY. IS THERE A I GUESS WHEN WE COME BACK TO THIS NEXT, NEXT MONTH? YES. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO POSSIBLY OR WOULD WE BE ABLE TO CONSIDER. RIGHT, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN COME UP WITH, I CAN ADD SOME STUFF IN WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, LET'S SAY LIKE PFLUGERVILLE WILL SET THE RESIDENTIAL AT LIKE THI, A SET ONE AND THEN DO A SET ONE FOR INDUSTRIAL AND RETAIL. AND WE CAN KIND OF COMPARE THE NUMBERS. AND THEN WHAT THAT'LL DO IS IT'LL GIVE YOU OPTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL, LIKE A SLIDER RIGHT TYPE OF THING. WHAT I DO AFTER THAT, THEN I WOULD PREPARE THIS NICE LITTLE LETTER AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN I'LL PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL. OKAY. SO BUT YEAH, WOULD YOU ALL BE AMENABLE TO THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS TWO TWO HAVING HAVING HER, I GUESS THE MOTION OR I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION, BUT JUST A REQUEST FOR STAFF TO BRING THE, TO BRING OUR TOTAL IMPACT FEE WITH THE WITH THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE, MORE IN PARITY IN BETWEEN OUR OUR OUR OTHER, OUR OTHER CITIES THAT ARE LISTED HERE. HOLLYWOOD PFLUGERVILLE THERE, OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR. AND ALSO IT'S KIND OF A SIMILAR ESQUE NEIGHBOR AS FAR AS SIZE. BRING OUR BRING MAYBE A PROPOSAL THAT HAS THOSE FEES OR A TABLE. IT HAS THOSE THOSE FEES AND MAYBE, WOULD THAT ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS ON THE LIST? OR WOULD THAT JUST MEAN THAT THERE'S JUST NO, NO, THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LIST OF PROJECTS? IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THE PROJECTS. THE ONLY THING IT WOULD CHANGE WAS HOW QUICKLY THE CITY WOULD COLLECT MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND YOU DO HAVE TO SPEND THE FUNDS WITHIN TEN YEARS. YES, BUT HOPEFULLY WITHIN TEN YEARS WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET ENOUGH MONEY FROM THE GROWTH TO DO SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. TO THAT END, THOUGH, CHARGING PEOPLE $1 MILLION IS GOING TO GET ZERO PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE ZERO PEOPLE PAYING $1 MILLION VERSUS 100 PEOPLE PAYING $800,000, YOU'RE GOING TO GET $800,000. YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY. A LOT FASTER FROM KIND OF JUST FINDING THAT, BECAUSE TO ME, I REALLY WANT TO SEE US KIND OF BE. I ENVISION US BEING KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE, ESPECIALLY AS CLOSE TO PFLUGERVILLE ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, BECAUSE THERE ARE 130 NEIGHBOR, AND THEY'LL HAVE THE WE'RE GOING TO WE ALREADY FEEL THE IMPACTS OF HAVING OUR OF HAVING THAT CORRIDOR NEAR US, BUT EVEN MORE, I'D SAY ALSO IN, IN THE SAME. YEAH. IN LINE WITH LIKE ON THE RETAIL SIDE TOO ON THE RETAIL SIDE TOO, BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR COMPETITORS WHERE BUSINESSES WANT TO GO IF WE CAN POSSIBLY BECAUSE WE NEED BECAUSE RETAIL IS A FOCUS HERE, ESPECIALLY ON THE SALES TAX FOCUS OF CITY COUNCIL, I THINK COUNCIL WOULD BE FAVORABLE TO, A RETAIL IMPACT FEE, A TOTAL IMPACT FEE THAT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO THAT. 250 THRESHOLD, 250 THRESHOLD. YOU HAD MENTIONED 250 PER SQUARE FOOT. I KNOW THAT'S HOW I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW. I THINK I THOUGHT $1 TO $1.50, OH, $1.50 FOR RETAIL FOR SINGLE FAMILY. WELL NO NOT FOR SINGLE FAMILY, FOR, RETAIL AND INDUSTRIAL. YEAH. NO SINGLE FAMILY. WE WOULD DO WHAT, HUTTO AND PFLUEGER HAVE DONE AND JUST HAVE A SET ONE FOR THEM, A SET THEIR HIGHER TYPICALLY THAN THE RETAIL AND THE INDUSTRIAL IS HOW THOSE CITIES DECIDED TO DO IT. OKAY, I DO THINK IT IS IGNORING, YOU
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KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITIES TOO, BY JUST COMPARING TO, HUTTO AND PFLUGERVILLE. I KNOW, WHEREAS ELGIN DOESN'T HAVE IMPACT FEES. BUT I MEAN, MY OPINION IS THAT THE DOLLAR TO $1.50 IS A MORE REASONABLE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I DO IS I CAN TAKE THAT AND I CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT COMES OUT TO THE DOLLAR TO DOLLAR 50 AND PROVIDE THAT AS ONE OF THE LIKE SET AMOUNTS TO SEE WHAT IT COMES OUT TO FOCUS MORE ON RETAIL THAN INDUSTRIAL. I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULD BE MY THOUGHTS. YEAH. BUT FEEL FREE. IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, YOU CAN EMAIL THEM TO ME. AM I ALLOWED TO? ARE WE ALLOWED TO EMAIL FOR THE MONTH? OH YEAH, YOU CAN EMAIL ME. OKAY ALL RIGHT, JUST DON'T EMAIL EVERYBODY BECAUSE THEN WE CAN KNOW I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A WALKING QUORUM. THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO DO. ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE'LL TABLE ITEM TWO. ITEM THREE IS CONSIDERATION OF THE ROADWAY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LIST BY SERVICE AREA. THAT IS IN OUR BACKUP. IS THAT OKAY TO TABLE ITEM THREE TWO OR. YEAH THAT'S FINE. WELL I'LL JUST COME BACK WITH MODIFICATIONS. YEAH THANK YOU FOR MODIFICATIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING PFLUGERVILLE BACK IN THE LIST, I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MY NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR ARE CHARGING. OKAY. YEAH, I CAN DO THAT, AND I, FOR THE THREE TO MY SCOPE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE WHOLE WHAT ALL OF THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES ARE I THAT THAT HELPS ME HELPS ME HAVE AN INFORMED THING. I LIKE TO KNOW IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN KNOWING WHAT YOUR PROPERTY TAX APPRAISALS ARE FOR YOUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TOO. SURE, I WOULD POINT OUT AUSTIN ETJ IS YOUR NEIGHBOR TOO. YEAH YEAH, AND THEY HAVE NO IMPACT FEES AND THEY HAVE NO IMPACT FEES AND THEY'RE NOT TALKING WELL, ETJ CAN'T DO IT. YEAH, RIGHT. RIGHT.SO YEAH, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THIS LIST HERE FOR ITEM THREE IS IN OUR BACKUP, AND THIS HAS THE LIST FOR SERVICE AREAS ONE AND TWO. AND THREE. RIGHT. SO AS YOU RECALL, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD DISCUSSED, COMING UP WITH A LIST TO PRIORITIZE THEM, BUT WITH MY RESEARCH, PFLUGERVILLE LEANDER AUSTIN, NONE OF THEM PRIORITIZE ANYTHING. OKAY THEY THEY EVEN HAVE A SPECIFIC NOTE ON THEIR PROJECT LIST THAT SAY, THIS IS NOT IN ANY ORDER. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT. AND I FOUND THAT VERY INTERESTING. SO I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. WELL, AUSTIN HASN'T SPENT ANY MONEY YET, I DON'T THINK. BUT YES. SO WE'RE ABOUT TO THERE IS A TABLE AND IT UNDERNEATH IT, IT WAS LIKE THESE ARE NOT LISTED IN PRIORITIES. YEAH. SO I LIKE I SAID DIG DEEPER INTO THEIR ORDINANCE AND SEE AND THEY MAY I, I DON'T KNOW I JUST KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE. YEAH. SO THIS IS SLIGHTLY ALSO JUMPING AHEAD TO THE NEXT ITEM, BUT IT DOES OVERLAP BECAUSE ON THE ORDINANCE, THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE LAST MEETING WERE TO HAVE BETTER CLARITY ON HOW THE FUNDS ARE SPENT AND THEN INCLUDING THAT PRIORITIZED LIST IF WE WERE TO DO IT. AND SO, IN TERMS OF THE WAY I REDLINED IT, YOU KNOW, WE ANNUALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER AND ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WE SEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK IT'S FIVE MONTHS PRIOR TO BUDGETING, YOU KNOW, OUR BUDGETING RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, A LIST OR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN OUR ROADWAY IMPACT FUNDS AND SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE X AMOUNT. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE PROJECT LIST AND BEING LIKE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED. AND SO ANNUALLY, BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE CITY AT THE TIME, WE WOULD PRIORITIZE AT THAT TYPE OF MEETING AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE HAVE BUDGETING FOR? WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT VERSUS DOING IT AS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE NO ONE ELSE DOES IT. DOING IT NOW AND THEN, JUST SAYING, OKAY, THIS PRIORITIES LIST IS WHAT'S GOING TO LIVE FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS. I KNOW YOU UPDATE THESE EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT IT'S A TEN YEAR PLAN. AND AS FAST AS THE CITY IS GROWING AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE STREET TODAY, MAYBE PRIORITY ONE OR 2 OR 3, BUT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW, SUDDENLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PUT AS TEN IS NOW NUMBER ONE BECAUSE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T PRIORITIZ, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY SAY, OH, YEAH, LET'S DO THIS ONE. BUT THEN SOMETHING COMES IN SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, OH, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS ONE. WE SHOULD DO NUMBER FOUR IN THE LIST. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THEY DON'T I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO BASE IT ON WHAT FUNDS THEY HAVE, WHAT'S COMING IN. AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, I JUST WOULDN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW
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WITH US BEING IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEN COUNCIL WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS PRIORITY LIST? AND AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP. RIGHT. SO TO HAVE A METHODOLOGY. YEAH. AND SINCE THERE'S NOTHING TO LOOK AT FOR ANY OF THE CITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. YEAH, THERE'S NO METHODOLOGY, RIGHT. NO. SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE HAD ROADWAY IMPACT FEES AND THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG. AND SO MAYBE THEY'LL COME UP WITH HOW THEY CAME, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE AT THIS POINT, LIKE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR ME TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO FEEL COMFORTABLE PRESENTING SOMETHING TO COUNCIL ABOUT PRIORITIZING THE BENEFIT OF NOT HAVING A PRIORITIZED LIST IS YOU'RE NOT STUCK HAVING TO. IF YOU HAVE A IF YOU HAVE GREG LANE EXPANSION, IF YOU HAVE THE GREG LANE EXPANSION TO MINOR ARTERIAL AT $6 MILLION AND YOU'RE ONLY GETTING A TRICKLE, YOU CAN'T YOU'RE GOING TO BE YOU MIGHT RUN OUT, YOU MIGHT HIT YOUR TEN YEAR THRESHOLD, WHEREAS YOU CAN KNOCK OUT ALL OF THE $87,000. IT'S NOT A LEFT TURN LANE OR RIGHT TURN LANE EDITIONS. AND JUST GET THOSE OUT IN THE IN THE CAPACITY PLAN. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NOT HAVING THAT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, THAT PRIORITIZATION LIST ALLOWS YOU TO KIND OF CHIP OFF AS NECESSARY, AND MEET THE NEEDS WHEREVER YOU CAN IN THE SERVICE AREA. BUT ESSENTIALLY THE BIGGER THING IS GET THE MONEY OUT THE DOOR BEFORE YOU HIT THAT TEN YEAR THRESHOLD. RIGHT. OKAY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO SAVE UP FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. THEY DO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THE CAPACITY PLAN LIST? I'M SORRY.CAPITAL GROUP PROJECTS LIST. YEAH. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION, OR ARE WE OKAY TO HAVE THAT COME FORWARD? NO ACTION. ALRIGHTY OUR FINAL ITEM. I PROMISE. I'M GETTING THERE.
JULIE, I FEEL LIKE I'M, LIKE, DOING A DRUM ROLL HERE FOR YOU, WE ARE NOT GOING TO. I MUST SAY, WE I RECOMMEND. NO. WELL, PARDON ME, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I'M A COMMITTEE OF A CHAIR, THE FOURTH ITEM. AND THE FINAL ITEM HERE IS CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A DRAFT ROADWAY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. I KNOW THAT WE POSTPONE THIS TILL NEXT MEETING.
OKAY SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHTY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE. I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION OR TAKE NO ACTION OR JUST POSTPONE. ITEM POSTPONE IS FINE. YEAH. POSTPONE. ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR ARE TWO THROUGH FOUR UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. I SECOND. OH, YES. WILL ANYONE ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION? SORRY, I OFFERED IT UP. I DON'T KNOW, I THOUGHT YOU DID ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S FINE. I POSTPONED POSTPONE FOUR OR ALL OF THEM. ALL OF THEM. OKAY. WAIT. DID WE DO HOW MANY? HOW MANY THINGS DO WE NEED? WELL, DOES THAT COVER ALL THREE? TWO, THREE AND FOUR ITEMS TWO, THREE AND FOUR. BECAUSE TWO AND THREE, THERE WASN'T REALLY ANYTHING. IT WAS JUST MORE DISCUSSION. THERE'S NOTHING. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION. IT'S REALLY MORE. NUMBER FOUR HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME TO DISCUSS IN FURTHER DETAIL. I DON'T THINK EMOTIONS REQUIRED. NO. JUST ONE FOR FOUR BECAUSE THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY ITEM FOUR HAS BEEN MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER COMMITTEE MEMBER ORION AND SECONDED BY, COMMITTEE MEMBER TIMMERMAN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. THAT MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THAT IS ALL THE BUSINESS I MOVED TO ADJOURN. COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER LEONARD MOVES SECOND, SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER TIMMERMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. I THIS IS ADJOURNED
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.